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Annoying clues bats have ? (13)
"I didn't mention the bats - he'd see them soon enough" - Hunter S Thompson - RIP
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SANGUINOLENCY - anagram of annoying clues - being bloody. (So only applies to vampire bats, really).
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Yay, that's what the ? was for - you are up tomorrow
"I didn't mention the bats - he'd see them soon enough" - Hunter S Thompson - RIP
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bloody annoying clue, that one was 
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Did you get the anagram yourself or use the Web ?
"I didn't mention the bats - he'd see them soon enough" - Hunter S Thompson - RIP
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I didn't know the word. But the word-length meant it was probably not just a simple noun, so likely endings included MENT (but no M), CY or ENCY. With those "set aside" the working set was smaller and I saw SANGUINE. A review of sanguine's meaning included the bloody connection and sanguinolent. I like bats and sometimes go bat detecting. Being here in the UK I tend not to associate bats with blood so I wasn't sure I'd got it right; might have been a co-incidental anagram. 
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I did tried to find the word (after understanding that it is probably an anagram)... Only the third site had an answer... Seems to be a less known word...
"The only place where Success comes before Work is in the dictionary." Vidal Sassoon, 1928 - 2012
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I'm confused, you mentioned bats but your sig says you didn't.
Is this a Mudd's Women kind of thing?
I’ve given up trying to be calm. However, I am open to feeling slightly less agitated.
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@petepjksolutionscom
Where's the CCC?
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Patience Timothy patience 
"I didn't mention the bats - he'd see them soon enough" - Hunter S Thompson - RIP
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Have you / would you accept a counter offer if you resign and your current employer is willing to increase your salary? There are a lot of arguments against it and also some for it, depending on the circumstances.
If you did, how did it work out?
You thoughts / experience with this?
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If your reason to resign is money - you may accept, however you should first ask for that money and explain why...
If you did that and the only way was to get it is to resign - you have some problem with the employer, who only willing to pay when it hurts him... Hi may will hurt you back if there is a chance...
So it is a very delicate situation, and if you have a firm chance to get another job with the right money and all, IMHO you should go with that...
Of course, if the reason not money, than it is not a question...
"The only place where Success comes before Work is in the dictionary." Vidal Sassoon, 1928 - 2012
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If there are things that are making an employee unhappy enough for them to quit, then increased pay will only cover that dissatisfaction for a short period of time (I vaguely recall an academic study showing about 6 months). Eventually the unhappiness will triumph, and the employee will leave again.
Thus (and I realise I'm writing this from an employers perspective), thus it's only worth doing if there is sufficient benefit for having the employee for an additional 6 months, or if there is a genuine attempt to resolve the causes of employee dissatisfaction.
From your perspective the two things to consider would be:
- can you use your position to negotiate to resolve the causes of unhappiness?
- how would you feel to be in the same place, in 6 months time, with the pay increase a distance memory?
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NeverJustHere wrote: If there are things that are making an employee unhappy enough for them to quit, then increased pay will only cover that dissatisfaction for a short period of time (I vaguely recall an academic study showing about 6 months).
This. I've been faster, 3 months.
GCS d--(d+) s-/++ a C++++ U+++ P- L+@ E-- W++ N+ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t+ 5? X R+++ tv-- b+(+++) DI+++ D++ G e++ h--- r+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X
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I was in the employee position, and I refused for two reasons:
- First, I did not want to leave only because of the money.
- Second, if an employer thinks they can manipulate me with money, then the relation is toxic. What is the message : Is that an acknowledgment that they have underpaid me until now ? Or does it mean that their first thought about good relationship is that it increases with money ?
Honestly, I never looked back and never had regrets for leaving.
Then, every situation is different.
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Exactly this. (Long) before going freelance, I was working for a UK company that was taken over by a US corporation (won't name it, but it's initials were an anagram of DES). Very quickly the company's previous ethos of looking after staff, being flexible to their needs, catering for their development went out of the window. Project timescales were hugely shortened (at the expense of quality) whilst the fees to the client went up. I was doing overnight on-call support (in addition to the daytime hours) and getting nothing for it. I repeatedly pointed out that we (the whole team) had lost so many benefits, were expected to work longer and harder, and were losing out on future prospects by being associated with shoddy deliverables, all to no avail. Just responses that we were being paid "market rate". Within an hour of my resignation letter hitting my line-manager's desk, the "big boss" was handing me a coffee in his office with an offer to substantially increase my salary - but no-one else's. He just looked confused when I told him he "just didn't get it". It's the only time I ever slammed a door at work.
The next job I had was the best permie role I ever had.
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No counter offer worked for me. Once resigned, I never changed my mind.
"In testa che avete, Signor di Ceprano?"
-- Rigoletto
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My experience had the increased salary lower than the new place and the promise of meal tickets - which I discovered are still not available 2.5 years after I resigned.
Anyway it depends on why I'm going away. If it is because the company tried to fark me over one time too many, because I lost trust in the company or similar, it's not a question of money.
If I'm leaving because they are underpaying me I'd consider it, keeping in mind that a company that is underpaying will probably not keep up with future raises I'd get in the new one, so either the counteroffer is extremely good and my relation with the company is sound or it's just not worth it.
Mostly it comes down to the fact that I had to leave in order to get some recognition, which does not bode well. A healthy environment would prevent people from going away instead of trying to repair a done damage.
GCS d--(d+) s-/++ a C++++ U+++ P- L+@ E-- W++ N+ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t+ 5? X R+++ tv-- b+(+++) DI+++ D++ G e++ h--- r+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X
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If your reason for leaving was low salary, you should have raised this with your employer before quitting. Accepting a counter-offer is risky - the employer may see you as a "short timer", and will get rid of you at his convenience, leaving you looking for a new job.
If your reason for leaving was not money, the counter-offer is irrelevant.
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows.
-- 6079 Smith W.
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If you stay, then you'll be viewed as someone who looking to jump ship sometime in the future. It may even be that you're the first to go when there are cuts (been there), or at the very least not worth putting time/money into further training.
Leave on good terms citing that you want to gain experience (emphasize its not the money) at the other place. Even hint that you really like working there and would like to come back in the future with new found knowledge (I've been back to one place 3 times and another twice). It also leaves an opening if the new job sucks.
// TODO: Insert something here Top ten reasons why I'm lazy
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I have had only one counter offer in my life, the big boss of the local office came to me and asked why I was leaving (it hurt them way more they wanted to recognize).
I told him my main reason, I was moving together with my SO to a new place and didn't want to do 1 to 1,5 hours commute each way (with standard traffic) every day, and my secondary reason was that my salary wasn't increasing parallel to my responsibilities and amount of work.
He offered me to count the commute increase as work hours and asked me why didn't say something about the salary before...
I had to refrain myself (either from laughing or for being "not nice") and then I answered back: "The point is, I already have done it... twice. In last two yearly revisions with my direct boss"
He only said "A-ha" and left the room after a couple of minutes of additionally small talk.
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Going back to the your question.
I say the same as others, accepting a counter offer is not a good idea. BUT... I do see a BUT...
- If you already have another job (I have never resigned a position without having a new one), then try to end in good terms, but go away and don't look back.
- If you resigned without having a new job, then say yes... the following months are not going to get better and you will end wanting to go anyways. But at least you know that you are worth more than what you were previously getting and that might give you confidence to ask for more in the upcoming interviews. If you don't find anything else, then at least you can save more during this time to have a larger period of tranquility if something goes wrong and you end leaving anyways.
M.D.V. 
If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about?
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Never and I've had it several times.
If I'm unhappy, I'll have a negotiation with my boss and if unresolved I'll go and look.
Once you've had an offer to leave, you'll never be fully trusted to stay.
veni bibi saltavi
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Nagy Vilmos wrote: Once you've had an offer to leave, you'll never be fully trusted to stay.
This, IMHO, is the only reason why you should never stay if they increase your pay, etc.
They will never trust you again.
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They may just take you back to fire you. Nothing like second guessing yourself.
It was only in wine that he laid down no limit for himself, but he did not allow himself to be confused by it.
― Confucian Analects: Rules of Confucius about his food
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