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Hi all,
As programmers what would you prefer?
A) 16:10 + i7-1165G7 + thunderbolt 4
B) 16:9 + ryzen 7 Pro 4750U + usb c
And why?
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As a programmer, what counts for me is (a) the screen area, (b) I/O speed for compilation, and (c) memory for tools, debuggers, multiple IDE sessions. Once you go over a certain threshold (which both processors pass), CPU speed is less important.
All other things being equal, a 16:10 scenn has slightly more screen area than a 16:9 screen. The Intel CPU can execute AVX-512 instructions, which is useful if I am writing high-performance code. Otherwise, I see little to choose between the systems; they both appear to be good development platforms.
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows.
-- 6079 Smith W.
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Thanks for your answer!
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Following up on Dr. Pfeffer's post (couldn't resist that reference):
You probably mean a larger size monitor, but I have a laptop with the extra-wide screen, designed for media more than anything else. As the screens get smaller the difference in the two monitor types can be important.
Essentially, on this "media laptop", do to the wider aspect ratio I had two bad choices. Either I saw a decent number of lines of code (and any sort of document) but it was too small to comfortably read or I could expand it (for example, to full screen width) and the reading was fine but I saw so few lines it was also a problem. View the entire page at once was, even if just to check formatting (documents) often only marginally useful.
The rest - I can only agree with "the Dr's" answer. Unless you're a gamer on the side.
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W∴ Balboos, GHB wrote: Following up on Dr. Pfeffer's post
I must state that I am not, nor have I ever been, a member of the Academic class. I came by my ignorance honestly - by inheritance.
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows.
-- 6079 Smith W.
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Ahhh - you misunderstand.
Going to a university long enough to receive one's doctorate is a public service in that, although not working and an adult, you still do not count as unemployed - and for a reciprocal reward, during that time you don't count as a slacker !
When all is said and done, I (as a classic example) didn't have a real paying job until I was thirty. It is accepting my duty as a responsible citizen and I take, having served my country in this way, very seriously.
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I came by mine Lecter style - by composition 
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The one with more ram and a bigger SSD. Both will matter far more than differences between two high end CPUs; and the laptops built in screen is going to be my tertiary display anyway so I don't really care that much. I'll be using my existing USB-HDMI dongles so TB4 doesn't matter.
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That sounds like a hardware question.
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I really hoped no one would notice it...
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After using something very much like B - a recent purchase of mine - but the pro rather than mobile version of that CPU, I'm thinking about forgetting about intel altogether.
Also thunderbolt plugs into nothing i own so personally, I'd skip it.
16:10 is the only advantage of that other machine, IMO.
Real programmers use butterflies
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Been waiting since September to get the new computer... now I can choose between the new "Thinkpad X1 carbon Gen 9" (Intel specs - A) or the "Thinkpad T14s Gen 1 or 2" (AMD specs - B).
But the AMD thing is harder to get than Moby Dick... 
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Joan M wrote: But the AMD thing is harder to get than Moby Dick...
That should tell you something though. Those AMD APUs really are amazing. Good luck.
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You don't mention the drive? Keep in mind that modern M.2 NVMe SSDs are significantly faster than older SATA style SSDs.
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Practically all high=end laptops these days support NVMe drives, and they are upgradable. The CPU and screen - less so.
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows.
-- 6079 Smith W.
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True! I did not realize he was referring to a laptop.
Get me coffee and no one gets hurt!
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I've posted only the differences between devices, all other things are +/- the same: 32GB RAM, 1 or 2 TB NVMe SSD, <1.2kg, ...
So yes, any of those would be good about SSD.
Thanks for your post!
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You need a time frame; in a couple of months, things may change again.
Also, AMD is segmenting crypto "miners" and "other" GPU's to help bring prices down.
It was only in wine that he laid down no limit for himself, but he did not allow himself to be confused by it.
― Confucian Analects: Rules of Confucius about his food
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Sure, but I've been waiting since September to get the laptop, mine has run out of warranty and Lenovo can't provide me a new one... ^^¡
It must last from 4 to 5 years and I don't want to wait more...
It will be:
Thinkpad X1 carbon gen 9 (Intel i7-1165G7)
Thinkpad T14s Gen 2 (AMD zen 3 5800U)
Thinkpad T14s Gen 1 (AMD zen 2 4750U)
Maybe the carbon (with more display) would be the best one to get.
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With 16:10 I can see four more rows of posts on Codeproject without scrolling.
The same is also valid for VS.
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Yes, that's interesting...
I noticed immediately the reduction of lines when manufacturers went from 4:3 to 16:9... slowly all the IDEs out there adapted to the new layout and now it seems everything tends to go back normal... ^^¡
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Indeed, the only reason for going to 16:9 is that TVs are using that format, but noone is asking for it for laptops. It's just misguided marketing.
On the contrary, I have always checked for the aspect ration when buying laptops or monitors.
If I can get it I want 15:10 or 3:2.
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if you are buying the cheaper one.
If the company is buying. The more expensive one?
just a thought.
They will both work
To err is human to really elephant it up you need a computer
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B:
- after using intel for years, I'm over all the flaws that have forced microcode updates which have made processors about 50% slower than when we bought them
- you mention aspect ratio, but not actual screen size, so the only comment I have there is that 16:9 matches typical 1080p, meaning fewer times I'd have black bars on the sides of the screen for, eg, video. I'd rather have height than width for a screen anyway - more lines of code on the screen.
- usb c over thunderbolt: I have a Dell which had a TB dock and it was problematic: TB allows direct memory access from the device (like firewire does) so a dodgy device means an unhappy laptop. Currently I'm using a Lenovo USB-C dock without any issues on the same Dell.
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