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More precisely: You go to your doctor, you get labeled positive. Then on your way back home you die in a car accident. Then someone updates the stats based on something like:
SELECT COUNT(*) FROM Patients WHERE Covid = 1 AND CurrentState = 'Dead'
It's not incorrect. But it's including things that shouldn't be there.
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GenJerDan wrote: in the US, the CDC put out new "guidance" last may witch caused covid to placed in section one of the death reports and all the other conditions in section two. Basically, if you had covid (or were suspected of having covid...no testing was required), your death was marked down as covid.
I've seen this rumor / claim several times since last summer, but never with a reference to the source so that I could see for myself the actual wording in this directive.
It really makes no sense at all. First, lots of death causes couldn't possibly be covered up the way you describe. Second, it would not benefit anyone (in spite of what conspiracy believers claim). Third, claims like "suspected of having covid...no testing was required") is the kind of wording that is typical for urban myths, not for directives from the CDC. Fourth, if doctors all over the USA were ordered to lie, filing a drowning, a car accident crushing several people to death, or a killing by hand weapons as covid deaths, just because the victims were 'suspected' of having covid, would cause an uproar among the doctors. Maybe a few of them would do as told, but not the great majority. Certainly not all. I haven't heard any uproar from American doctors. Not even mild protests.
If this really is true, it cannot be kept as a secret, it must be published and available to every doctor certified to sign a death certificate. These doctors cannot trust what is said by some journalist or reader posting to the comment section of a web paper, but must have the original directive. So it should be easy to dig up. Until that happens, I consider this "guidance" to lie somewhere between an urban myth and a conspiracy theory.
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If they are sticking to the 'rules' here in the UK, then only deaths within 28 days of testing positive are counted as Covid.
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This exactly. Null only exists in software, and even there it can be assigned to an object.
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I would love to get the flu every year if it meant I could socialize without distancing, and not wearing a mask for the rest of my life.
Humans are social creatures.
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Slacker007 wrote: not wearing a mask for the rest of my life.
I think we'll see a lot of people who will wear a mask all the time, pandemic or not.
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I am the complete opposite, when this thing is beaten back and I 'have' to go to work (commuting!!), I will find it a bind, I mean wearing trousers & I have only been on a train three times this year!
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not surprising, flu was MIA 6 months ago in the south. Even in normal circumstances it only has an R around 1. The same masks and distancing that pushed covid-19 from 3 to 1ish would have only 1 in 3 people with the flu infecting anyone else. That's enough to crush it short term; but even if we could drive human cases all the way to zero it'd spring back from animal reservoirs once things return to normalish.
Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, weighing all things in the balance of reason?
Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful?
--Zachris Topelius
Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies.
-- Sarah Hoyt
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Survival of the fittest virus.
It was only in wine that he laid down no limit for himself, but he did not allow himself to be confused by it.
― Confucian Analects: Rules of Confucius about his food
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OriginalGriff wrote: but not even one case? Impressive. Highly unlikely.
FTFY.
That's because the actual cases of the flu have been filed under Covid, as "mild" or "asymptomatic". Who's gonna check?
You know it to be true...
modified 23-Feb-21 13:57pm.
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There also hasn't been a case of death from old age in the past year. 
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[pardon the mixed genres below]
My Spidey-sense is tingling. I have this feeling of utter dread regarding the coming work day. Worse, my email Inbox has not been the usual pool of bubbling, malodorous ichor, foul with the stench of utter evil.
Even my dog is feeling it. He's doing a "Timmy fell down the well, but I just can't be arsed to remember where" thing.
This has the feeling of one of those "everything's broken and we're all gonna die" sorts of days, that ends with my drowning my sorrows in strong drink...
Software Zen: delete this;
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Gary R. Wheeler wrote: drowning my sorrows in strong drink
Well drowning 'em in weak drink just takes sooooo long.
"I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony
"Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt
AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!
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I've reached an age where I prefer a long, slow slide into insensibility, rather than the luge runs of my youth.
Software Zen: delete this;
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Gary R. Wheeler wrote: This has the feeling of one of those "everything's broken and we're all gonna die" sorts of days, that ends with my drowning my sorrows in strong drink...
Adding to your problems: procrastination!
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I'll start procrastinating tomorrow.
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obermd wrote: I'll start procrastinating tomorrow.
Perhaps you ought to think that over for a while.
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Come on in, the water's fine!
I felt that way yesterday. On the way to work, I had this feeling of, I left that Amazon job turned off all weekend, after finalizing some testing and deploying a new version on Friday. I just knew it was going to be a bad day. 
On arrival, I determined I hadn't forgotten anything, and all was good.
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Gary R. Wheeler wrote: This has the feeling of one of those "everything's broken and we're all gonna die" sorts of days, that ends with my drowning my sorrows in strong drink...
That happens every time I need to work in licensing related code. 
I'd rather be phishing!
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Anyone else on here had the vaccine yet ?
"I didn't mention the bats - he'd see them soon enough" - Hunter S Thompson - RIP
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Which one? I haven't yet, know several people who have.
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Pfizer
"I didn't mention the bats - he'd see them soon enough" - Hunter S Thompson - RIP
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Most of the people I know have had the Pifzer, I wonder if there's more of it in the UK compared to Astra?
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Yes, that's what we had. I think it was due to the government ordering lots of it in good time. Nice to see them (actually the Civil Service) getting something right.
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(In UK) - everyone I know who's been jabbed has been Astrazeneca. Maybe depends on location.
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