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According to this article published by the NIH (Deaths following vaccination: What does the evidence show?) deaths from vaccine are extremely rare. While no probability figures are given, the article states that there is no evidence "at the population level" that vaccines cause death (end of section 3). That does not mean that other (quite serious) side effects do not occur, some of which are listed in the article.
The vaccine for COVID-19 is new, but there is no reason to assume that it is more dangerous than other vaccines.
I would estimate that your chances of getting killed in a car accident while driving (or getting mugged while walking) to the vaccination centre are greater than your chances of dying from the vaccination.
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Consider the odds of dying from the vaccine, versus the odds of succumbing to the virus. In other words, out of some 30 million who got the vaccine, there were almost no deaths. And that one person who did die: It has not been established that it was attributable to the vaccine. That versus out of some 30 million (not vaccinated) people who got infected, the death toll is approaching half a million. Consider those odds if you are concerned about the vaccine!
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I made that same point in my post - but those who were against it, or sitting on the fence, are not considering this rationally.
Now, I admit I didn't want to be in the first batch of recipients, but 30M recipients later, and, well, I'm looking to move up in the line.
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Got my second shot last Friday. The only side effect: A sore arm that takes about 3 days to heal.
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Actually, it's quite likely the side-effects are a good sign: it means your immune system is reacting. There's definitely a known incidence of more side-effects for the second shot - which makes sense since your immune systems' already able to recognize it.
See how optimistic I can be!
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Quote: Actually, it's quite likely the side-effects are a good sign
Agreed! 
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W∴ Balboos, GHB wrote: someone having just died at a vaccination center
Does any injection ever work so fast that it can kill someone who just received it literally minutes prior? Excluding nasty chemical compounds that would obviously kill anyone...
W∴ Balboos, GHB wrote: I'm awaiting announcement of the actual cause-of-death.
Indeed.
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Quote: Does any injection ever work so fast that it can kill someone who just received it literally minutes prior
While it is rare, yes a sudden and severe onset of an extreme allergic reaction (anaphylaxis) is possible in people who are prone to serious allergic reactions. Anaphylaxis can cause death, unless the person receives medical treatment immediately.
That is why, in our case, there was an ambulance parked right next to the tent where we received our shots. Presumably it was fully equipped to treat allergic reactions.
And that is why they compel you to wait for 15 minutes after the shot, before they allow you to drive off. With these precautions your risk of dying from anaphylaxis is just about zero.
Anaphylaxis - Symptoms and causes - Mayo Clinic[^]
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Cp-Coder wrote: sudden and severe onset of an extreme allergic reaction
That's pretty much what I was thinking--this person has to have a severe allergy to something that happens to be in the vaccine.
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Assuming roughly 30million covid shots worldwide now (it's more than that, but even so); a person spends at least 10 minutes at the vaccination centre = 300,000,000 person-minutes worldwide. That equates to 570 years or over 8 lifetimes. Statistically, it's hardly surprising therefore that by now at least one person has dropped dead quite co-incidentally after having had their vaccine. Especially since it's still mainly the older / co-morbidity groups that are being done now.
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Interesting use of the stats. Even if not limited to more vulnerable groups, 30M is a lot of bodies and, at any given moment, it's not unlikely for one to fail. Likelihood is even greater in that I'd put the time in the vaccine center at 20-30 min (consider the 15 min wait after shot).
"From 1980 to 2019, between eight and nine people per 1,000 have died each year in the United States."[^]
Another way to spin up statistics that would doubtless confirm your manipulation
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Hello again smart people 
I need your advice again. As you know, I did survived my first semester and now I'm starting thinking about eventual career path, so that I structure my learning and don't waste my time on learning something I will not be good at or will not want to work with anyway. I really want to be ready for a job as soon as it is possible. I don't want to spend hours diving in the areas of programming I don't have talent for and than compete with masterminds for some few jobs. I thought about some areas I'm intrested in but there are some cons and pros with them:
- Embedded systems - I dont have any background in physics and mathematics though, and becuase of that I don't know if it's a good idea.
- Android development - but I'm not sure if it's not too competitive and if there are enough job opportunities.
- .NET developer - but it means that I really have to get my degree to get job in this field. I wonder if BS will do?
I can learn some algortihms and understand them just for the job interview and the project, but I will never invent my own or be a data scientist or some algortihm expert so I don't want to work in the area where you heavily rely on complicated algorithms because I lack mathematical skills and talent. I think that my biggest advantage is being creative so I thought maybe I go into direction of Android development (as I already said) or web development. But I would like to stay programmer. I don't want to be a manager, and I don't want to sit in the meetings for hours before the white board talking about programming. My highest goal is to be senior devloper and that's it - I just want to program and of course sometimes I can have a meeting for max an hour a day or something . But of course, I don't have a clue how the developer job really look like in reality, so which field of expertise would you recommend? Are there any users who work in the fields I mention and can share some thoughts?
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Thank's 
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Finding out what you enjoy is key to being happy at work. You've figured that out, so it's mostly a question of what domain most appeals to you. It may well be too early for you to reach any definitive answers to that question at this point.
Just a note on embedded systems. I define them as being dedicated to a specific purpose. This runs the gamut from toasters to what I worked on, core network servers that handle the calls in a mobile network. That kind of system contains very little math or physics but millions of lines of code written in an object-oriented language. It's more like a high-performance, robust web server than a toaster.
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Wow, that really sounds like what i would like to do. I thought I had to have a degree in electronics or at least be good at physics and mathematics. I really enjoy working object oriented and would like to work in c++ or java or both. Thank you for your advice 
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If you read some of my articles, you might get a better sense of whether working on that kind of system would appeal to you. The articles usually assume C++ because I wouldn't use Java for such a system. But there are many different types of large servers, and Java would be fine for some of them.
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Thank's for article recommandation, I will try to find some time to read one of them and get an overview on the subject. I wouldn't mind working only in c++.
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You don't need necessarily need Physics or much Mathematics to do embedded programming.
Sample the areas you're interested in until you find one you're good at and like.
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That's a relief I'm really intrested in that field.
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Its a very exciting field right now what with IoT and there's a very wide selection of hardware to work with.
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Nice
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Mike Hankey wrote: necessarily
It indeed really depends on what you are doing, embedded has so many declinations ! If I take my example, I could not go without strong knowledge of physics and mathematics, but there are plenty of area where it is not required at all - it just has to work ! 
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The problem with 'Android development' and so, is what will you do the day after?
I'm in software development since 1997 (and on computers since 1984), and thing had changed.
What kept me in the field is that I had a solid - language and environment independent - base.
So while you can focus on a specific environment and let all go, I would say that you should spend a year and a half or two (assuming that degree is 6 semesters there just like here) to get your bases together, and than (probably knowing more about the possibilities) take up some more specific...
"The only place where Success comes before Work is in the dictionary." Vidal Sassoon, 1928 - 2012
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Yeah, I actually thought the same. I have to do some priorities so I don't know if it's a good idea to put few hours a day to learn Android development if those skills are not that general. Maybe its better to put that time into learning concurrency, or maybe Java Springboot, database or practice common algorithms. Thank's for the advice
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