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I would like to see mandatory I.Q. tests.
It was only in wine that he laid down no limit for himself, but he did not allow himself to be confused by it.
― Confucian Analects: Rules of Confucius about his food
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I've been saying for years there should be a "parenting" exam before you are allowed to get pregnant / father a kid: fail it and you are "fixed" for life. This would at least raise the IQ of the next generation, if not this one... 
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"Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt
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I also think 100 is highly overrated. Life is more complex (these days) than that.
It was only in wine that he laid down no limit for himself, but he did not allow himself to be confused by it.
― Confucian Analects: Rules of Confucius about his food
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OriginalGriff wrote: there should be a "parenting" exam before you are allowed to get pregnant / father a kid: fail it and you are "fixed" for life.
If I made the exam, very few people would pass.
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You can bet that the people setting the test would be shoe-ins for well-paying jobs on emergent stud farms. 
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No one ever lost money underestimating the intelligence of the American public. 
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows.
-- 6079 Smith W.
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When you say that stranger, you better smile!
Get me coffee and no one gets hurt!
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And "Third Reich" actually means "Third Realm". Wink wink, nod nod.
It was only in wine that he laid down no limit for himself, but he did not allow himself to be confused by it.
― Confucian Analects: Rules of Confucius about his food
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What has this got to do with my post?
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows.
-- 6079 Smith W.
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No one ever lost money underestimating the intelligence of the American public.
FTFY
If you can keep your head while those about you are losing theirs, perhaps you don't understand the situation.
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or any other public....
Charlie Gilley
<italic>Stuck in a dysfunctional matrix from which I must escape...
"Where liberty dwells, there is my country." B. Franklin, 1783
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
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"Protesting" at a vaccination site and getting it shut down. 
I rarely take this position, but this is where gubmint needs to seriously crack down, and adopt a zero tolerance policy. This isn't a free speech issue. They're putting public health at risk.
Seriously, enough with this sh*t.
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It is very close to attempted murder. Maybe terrorism? 
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"Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt
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It's a self-appointed Praetorian guard.
It was only in wine that he laid down no limit for himself, but he did not allow himself to be confused by it.
― Confucian Analects: Rules of Confucius about his food
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really Griff? wtf there was no violence at all, people doing what they are allowed to do. Unlike Antifa and BLM that burns businesses down.
The only reason the vax sites were closed was because officials were pussies. Get some LEOs, tell the protestors where to stand, and get on with your business.
Charlie Gilley
<italic>Stuck in a dysfunctional matrix from which I must escape...
"Where liberty dwells, there is my country." B. Franklin, 1783
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
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Yes, really.
This isn't "free speech", or "personal liberty": this is people trying to prevent others getting medical treatment that could easily save their lives and the lives of those around them. Not because it might conceivably harm the protestors in any way, shape, or form; simply because they believe that someone is lying to them*.
How is that right? How does that differ from how terrorist groups start? The whole idea of terrorism is to make people so afraid that they will accept any alternative.
By all means, believe whatever you want: but nobody has the right to impose that on others who believe differently.
* And all the evidence seems to agree: but not the people the protestors think are making bollocks up and feeding it to them.
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OriginalGriff wrote: nobody has the right to impose that on others who believe differently
Unfortunately, most people didn't make an exception for the state.
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I only took issue with what the protesters were doing (yelling, waving signs, acting like idiots and handing out pamphlets) and escalating it to preventing people from getting their vaccinations. It was the staff that unnecessarily shut it down. Like I said, one deputy could have handled that crowd and life would go on. It was never anything more. No need to make it hysterical.
I'm tired of the selective over dramatization of everything.
Charlie Gilley
<italic>Stuck in a dysfunctional matrix from which I must escape...
"Where liberty dwells, there is my country." B. Franklin, 1783
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
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I agree that we should all get the vaccine if we can (most of the U.S. can't right now), but we have a congressman that just tested positive for COVID after his 2nd vaccine.
MA US Rep. Stephen Lynch positive for COVID after 2nd vaccine dose[^]
So, not all people who are anti vaccine are idiots. Some have valid arguments and concerns.
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Slacker007 wrote: So, not all people who are anti vaccine are idiots. Some have valid arguments and concerns.
No, they don't.
Of course you test positive after vaccination. And vaccines aren't 100% guaranteed, but they work for most.
Go protest for the freedom of the polio virus, see if you can get those vaccines banned and bring back iron lungs.
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Aight, they may have concerns, but certainly not arguments. And if you got concerns, you look for information (aka, education). But if you prevent others from getting it, you a liability and should be removed from the discussion entirely.
Bastard Programmer from Hell 
"If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
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hey eddy, got any children? I've had a few. I have an issue with the government mandating vaccines that can kill my children. But wait, you say I'm full of it? Then why do I have to sign a legal waver accepting the fact the vaccine may have "side effects"?
ps - they did not stop anybody from getting their vaccine, the government did.
Charlie Gilley
<italic>Stuck in a dysfunctional matrix from which I must escape...
"Where liberty dwells, there is my country." B. Franklin, 1783
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
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charlieg wrote: hey eddy, got any children? I've had a few. I have an issue with the government mandating vaccines that can kill my children.
Your children were vaccinated as babies, against smallpox and such. They live in a relative safe world thanks to vaccines existing. And no one complained when polio was wiped out, did they?
It shouldn't be optional, but mandatory.
charlieg wrote: Then why do I have to sign a legal waver accepting the fact the vaccine may have "side effects"?
Because any treatment carries risk. I been taking a lot of medication for years, and that has had some side effects. If my doctor could be held liable, he would stop doctoring. And that's not just so for treatment; even looking at the intestines carries a (small) risk.
There's more risk in taking pain medications; but that doesn't stop America from taking them en masse.
Bastard Programmer from Hell
"If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
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Disclaimer: Not wanting to convince you at all, just answering for the sick of the debate (not discussion)
Marc Clifton wrote:
1. No long term effects study (obviously.)
Usually vaccines don't have such long time effects, either it works or not, either it brings collateral damage or not, but if it does, it does it pretty soon.
Long term studies are usually needed because the studies are damend slow and it takes long time to get a decent tested-people base.
This is not the case as there have been a huge amount money getting flooded into the studies, what has accelerated the research a lot and there has been a lot of people for the tests in the pre-market phases, bringing the same numbers in a couple of weeks that would usually take years in other studies.
Marc Clifton wrote: 2. No data on how long the immunity lasts (because it's so new)
Agree on this. But... I think that even if it wasn't more than a year or two... it would still help a lot to slow down the ratios right now until there is something better.
Marc Clifton wrote: 3. It doesn't appear to prevent the spread of COVID, just the symptoms.
About the spread... I partially agree with you. But one of the most important aspects is that it helps reducing the severity if you get it.
Marc Clifton wrote: I do choose not to get the vaccine and I'll be damned if government or my neighbor has the authority to force me to.
And that's fine for me
Marc Clifton wrote: Now granted, I would never stop someone from getting the vaccine
The same as you should not be forced to get it.
Free will, my / your decission
M.D.V. 
If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about?
Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you
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