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Quote: Aren't they _slightly_ out of their jurisdiction?
Nahhhh...
and I better don't answer what I would answer because I don't want to soapbox the lounge.
M.D.V. 
If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about?
Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you
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No - not out of jurisdiction.
As first to set foot there, they own it.
Anyone who objects? Well they should have tried harder to get there first.
(so much whining - hey, world . . . suck it up)
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well said. 
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Try the homesteading principle.
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Greg Utas wrote: homesteading
One person's homesteader is another person's squatter.
If you go on vacation and someone "homesteads" your dwelling . . . ?
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The property has to be clearly abandoned.
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The Outer Space treaty of 1967, to which the US is a signatory, says otherwise:
Quote: outer space is not subject to national appropriation by claim of sovereignty, by means of use or occupation, or by any other means;
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows.
-- 6079 Smith W.
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You must have lost your copy of the Outer Space treaty of 1967. Among other things, the signatories (which include the US) agree that:
Quote: outer space is not subject to national appropriation by claim of sovereignty, by means of use or occupation, or by any other means;
Therefore the US has no jurisdiction on the Moon or any other celestial body.
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows.
-- 6079 Smith W.
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Outer Space - the place between things (like planets, moons, pita-aggregates).*
Specifically, in one of the bullet points on your reference:
Quote: the Moon and other celestial bodies shall be used exclusively for peaceful purposes;
which clearly differentiates the moon as a celestial body vs a component considered outer space.
You are welcome to all the outer space you can grab. I know that terrestrial vacuums suck, but maybe that other stuff is better.
* Aside: does one own their own satellites (nation or business)? Put into outer space, do they become public domain?
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W∴ Balboos, GHB wrote: Outer Space - the place between things (like planets, moons, pita-aggregates).
The Definition and Delimitation of Outer Space claims that there is no legally accepted standard, but the Fédération Aéronautique Internationale has suggested a limit of 100km for national airspace.
The same presentation claims that there are moves to lower that limit by international treaty. In any case, the limit is far below the Moon's orbit, and therefore the Moon definitely is covered by the Outer Space treaty and other Space treaties.
W∴ Balboos, GHB wrote: does one own their own satellites (nation or business)? Put into outer space, do they become public domain?
The treaties do not preclude the existence of private property in space; they do forbid annexation or applying national law to any celestial body, including the Moon.
There are some interesting lacunae in the Space treaties, which Ben Bova has used to good effect in his stories (google Ben Bova Asteroid Wars).
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows.
-- 6079 Smith W.
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Here's where you are in error (in my opinion) and, as a positive note, not a lawyer at heart:
You are mixing the definition of "outer space" and "in outer space". The celestial bodies are not outer space - and in fact, not space at all, but are matter (solid/liquid/gas - suns=plasma).
So - you cannot, per the treaty, codon off a section of the great void and call it your own. You are not excluded, however, from cordoning off an item of "substance" that happens to be within that region.
And if you call me a layer at heart because of this, I will hang my head in shame - but enjoy a smirk, nonetheless.
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That is exactly one of the lacunae in the Outer Space treaties. 
I expect that Space law will eventually settle on something like this:
- Large bodies (the planets & most of their moons, the Moon, larger asteroids) will probably be treated as international areas (in a manner similar to the way Antarctica is treated), and will have some sort of law enforcement
- Small bodies (e.g. asteroids small enough to be moved with current or foreseeable technology) will be exploited by the first to land and be able to defend their claim
- Any bodies with alien life (possibly Europa's ocean, for example) will be out of bounds to all
This has some similarities to the situation in the old "Wild West". Like the "Wild West", I expect that eventually some sort of law-enforcement organization will be formed with jurisdiction in space. I'm making no predictions of who/what will form this organization, nor on what form it will take...
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows.
-- 6079 Smith W.
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Daniel Pfeffer wrote: I expect that eventually some sort of law-enforcement organization will be formed with jurisdiction in space. I'm making no predictions of who/what will form this organization, nor on what form it will take...
Now I worry about you - - - I do know someone who proposed a "space force" vs. the other armed services.
If it ain't Jedi Knights then I don't want to know about it.
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W∴ Balboos, GHB wrote: Now I worry about you - - - I do know someone who proposed a "space force" vs. the other armed services.
I know of him, too.
I was referring to a police force, not a military force. The two have very different goals.
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows.
-- 6079 Smith W.
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Daniel Pfeffer wrote: I was referring to a police force, not a military force. The two have very different goals.
That depends a lot upon where you live (you should know that better than I, considering your regional neighbors).
It's seems to be a clear distinction - and everyone probably has their own mental image of that distinction. Sometimes, the only difference is their uniform, or arm patch.
But I know what you intended (I think) - in the US, internal use of the "military" is extremely rare. On the other hand, the national guard is used more often. The national guard can also be sent off to war. So, the difference?
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I was born in the UK and now live in Israel, where there is a sharp difference between the police and the military. There is no equivalent of the National Guard in either.
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows.
-- 6079 Smith W.
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possession is 99% of the law  we're going back baby.
Charlie Gilley
<italic>Stuck in a dysfunctional matrix from which I must escape...
"Where liberty dwells, there is my country." B. Franklin, 1783
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
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And I'll be cheering you (the US, that is) on.
Assuming humanity does start living in space or on other bodies, we will need a body of space law. I would rather it come from a country with at least a tradition of Rule of Law and fair play than a place like China, which has more often than not had Rule of Warlord.
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows.
-- 6079 Smith W.
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(11) Our instinct assembles command
SOLUTION:
Our instinct
assembles = (anagram indicator)
command = definition
instruction
Stage 1:
There are secrets being stored within the user profile. Something inside the profile is much more than meets the eye. The GIF file representing the avatar is hiding multiple steganographic clues. You should begin by downloading the GIF file and renaming it with a ZIP extension. Instruction can be found inside.
dec edi
jne 0x75
and BYTE PTR [ecx+0x6e],ch
jae 0x7c
imul ebp,DWORD PTR [esi+0x63],0x73612074
jae 0x76
ins DWORD PTR es:[edi],dx
bound ebp,QWORD PTR [ebp+eiz*2+0x73]
and BYTE PTR [ebx+0x6f],ah
ins DWORD PTR es:[edi],dx
ins DWORD PTR es:[edi],dx
popa
outs dx,BYTE PTR ds:[esi]
fs
# Stage 3:
# The x86 instructions are obviously meaningless. The hard coded offsets and duplicate instructions
# give it away. Using an assembler you will find that it compiles down to the following machine code:
4F
75 72
20 69 6E
73 74
69 6E 63 74 20 61 73
73 65
6D
62 6C 65 73
20 63 6F
6D
6D
61
6E
64
Let me say that this is a regular cryptic crossword puzzle. The only difference is that we will start early and begin the solving process with the puzzle hidden. This will give individuals with unique skills a chance to find and solve the puzzle first. Once every hour I will return to the site and reveal the next stage. Eventually the plain text puzzle will be completely visible to everyone. You can wait until the plain text puzzle is revealed or attempt to solve early. The choice is yours.
modified 26-Jan-21 5:51am.
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You guys have too much time on your hands (but I like the idea !) 
Randor wrote: multiple steganographic clues
@Corinna-John, Corinna, where are you when we need you ?
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This looks like another weird game... well, maybe tomorrow, if my boss bores me with too few work... 
This statement is false.
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Still hanging around here sometimes ?
And still steganographicking ? 
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Randor wrote: You should begin by downloading the GIF file and renaming it with a ZIP extension. Instruction can be found inside.
Doesn't work, Windows says it is not a valid zip.
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I concur: the gif is not openable as a zip.
It means my guess from the advance clue given yesterday is wrong 
I had thought that "Something inside my profile is much more than meets the eye." (11) (The Lounge[^]) was going to be MACROSCOPIC
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Thanks. Due to the unique way the zip file is constructed some archive programs might fail. I've tested and several of the online unzippers are working for the archive.
Let me Bing that for you!
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