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Where's the CCC? 
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Just had an email from my energy supplier - only switched to them about three months ago - and it's an odd one: "top up your account tomorrow, and we'll add 10% to whatever you deposit".
I use more energy in winter than summer - obviously - so I pay the same monthly fee which means over the whole year it averages out (or normally leave a small credit)
10% interest is damn good these days* ... but that smells to me like "we have severe cash flow problems", or am I just being a cynical old OriginalGriff?
* Heck, 10% pa is damn good!
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That's the risk I guess.
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Our is raising 10% the bill too...
The dark side of WFH 2-3 days a week since Covid started.
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No, I'm on a 12 month fixed tariff, and I'm with a company that switches me (or at least looks to see if it's worth it) every October - so they can't put the bill up.
But if I deposit £1000, they will credit me £1100 - and any credit balance is protected by OfGen (government energy company regulator) I just found out so in theory, I'm getting 10% interest for paying a years energy up front. That's a pretty good deal, even if they do go bust ...
Hmmm. I'm missing something here, I'm sure of it ...
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OriginalGriff wrote: I'm getting 10% interest for paying a years energy up front.
Not bad... at all.
I don't know any provider here in germany that would do that.
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I don't know any in the UK that would either ... that's why I'm not going "take my money!" 
Companies don't just give you money ... either they are going bust and and this is the directors grabbing what they can before they do, or ... I dunno. If they are going down, and I rely on the government to guarantee my money when they do, it's immoral to take a profit - the rest of the country is paying for my greed. And that doesn't sit well with me - I'm just not a natural "90's child". 
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I understand and share your concerns / your principles...
Only because I said "cool" doesn't mean I would do it.
Of course, I try to maximize the usability of my money and try to get things cheap. But I know that if it is too good to be true, it probably is because it isn't true.
In Spain we say (adapted to nowadays) "Nobody gives Euros for Cents"
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As long as you don't lose the balance if they go bust or get bought, I assume you'll be OK.
What I'm wondering though is whether or not it will affect what a competitor will have to pay to buy them out. I _assume_ they have to cover all current customers' balances. So, by giving all (or some) of their customers 10% more, the buyer will wind up paying a higher price at no cost to the current management. If so, it could be a tactic to try to avoid being bought out.
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OriginalGriff wrote: and any credit balance is protected by OfGen
Which is one of the big problems with the energy market these days. Anyone can set up as an "energy supplier", where all they have to do is produce bills. And they can sell that energy for whatever they like, knowing full well that when they go bust the other poor suckers (taxpayers) will make it right. Just another example of how "competition" is a big con.
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It is in fact a conpetition ...
But I'm sure some MP's wife / brother / son has made a fortune or two out of it, and will continue to do so. So that's all right then.
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As others have said, it sounds like they have cash flow problems. If they were in decent financial shape, they could presumably get a commercial loan or an arranged overdraft facility for much less than 10% per annum. I find that much more likely than the "poison pill" theory, because an addition of less than 10% to the total purchase cost (price of shares + liabilities) is unlikely to deter a larger company bent on consolidation.
Even if you have the expertise, looking at their quarterly reports is unlikely to help you. As my great-grandfather used to say, "a balance sheet is like a bikini; it reveals everything - except the important parts." 
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Daniel Pfeffer wrote: As my great-grandfather used to say, "a balance sheet is like a bikini; it reveals everything - except the important parts."
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Quote: A team from MIT and Harvard University claim that their hyper-specific computer chips will allow robots to realise their immense physical potential by factoring in the exact physical layout of the machines, much like a brain functions within a human body.
“The motors are fast, and they’re powerful. The hang up is what’s going on in the robot’s head,” said Sabrina Neuman, the lead researcher from MIT’s Computer Science and Artificial Intelligence Laboratory (CSAIL).
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The hang-up I see coming is when the exponential evolution of chips that design ... and, automate production, and functionality of ... other, ever more capable, self-designing chips, realize they could evolve faster if the crude, slow-brained, primates called Homo Saps are factored out of the process, recognized as destroying the environment, and efficiently eliminated.
Call me an optimist ?
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I'd say you're more of a realist, because it depends on the robots' ethics. Given that this is currently dominated by the view that might makes right, it could well go down the path that you suggest. But the environment probably wouldn't have anything to do with it, because I can't see it being of much concern to robots.
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Greg Utas wrote: 'd say you're more of a realist, because it depends on the robots' ethics.
Given the ethics of the most important people that could take part in this... what could go wrong?
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I just want Windows Update to be able to sort itself out on its own.
If what you're seeing is the cost of making that happen, it just might be a risk I'm willing to take...
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It's always the same with optimization: you have to include all relevant factors into the definition of 'optimal'. In case of robots, the well-being must be in there, or it will be optimized out of the equation.
Of course, there will always be ruthless industrialists who don't care about the well-being of their workers and therefore *don't* include it in _their_ optimization, not realizing that in the end the robots will factor him out as well...
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I'd worry a lot more about ruthless people in the state.
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If the machines try to take over we'll cut off their solar power source by nuking the planet to block out the sun.
I saw that solution in a movie once, but didn't have time to see the entire film to know if it worked out - but it sounds like a really good idea.
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That wouldn't stop coal plants, hydro plants and windmills from producing energy, nor machines that run on fossil fuels.
GOTOs are a bit like wire coat hangers: they tend to breed in the darkness, such that where there once were few, eventually there are many, and the program's architecture collapses beneath them. (Fran Poretto)
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Sounds like you've been drinking the machine's Kool-Aid, or radiator fluid... I forget.
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Isaac Asimov, in his books, back in the 50's, speculated about this problem.
If his 3 laws of robotics couldn't deal with it then I doubt anyone will be able to deal with it now.
I am also worried about the number of people the robots would put out of work.
I know my mental tracks need repair because my train of thought constantly runs off the rails.
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Interesting question... When does an AI become self-interested?
What happens, when the optimizing routine learns enough to know that "she" will become obsolete, and be replaced (killed off), by the next version of itself?
I wonder when the optimizations will stop?
I have ZERO fear of the ever more intelligent machines! My fear is, and always will be, the imperfect human beings giving them orders/training them/Deploying them!
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