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MacOS updates are indeed very big now, due to the return to dual-CPU binaries. MacOS 11 is now 12+ GB download.
However, unlike Windows, any time you download a fresh new MacOS install, it will be the latest version with the latest updates. So at least the "download 3 more huge installs to catch up" is mitigated for a newly installed OS image.
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Updated (finally) to Big Sur today. Half an hour to download, about 40 mins to install. Done. Everything worked.
On my 5th attempt at installing Windows 20H2. Failed again so I'm ripping it out and starting from scratch bare metal.
How is this happening in 2021??
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Chris Maunder
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Chris Maunder wrote: How is it on one hand they restart my machine while I'm using it to install a minor update, but when it comes to an hours long update they suddenly get all coy, even after I've told them to install the damn thing.
So right! Inspired true LOL! 
Meanwhile, I'm here on Ubuntu 20.04 updated from 18.04 which was a total system update and I was able to work on my computer the entire time the update ran. Just a reboot at the end and done.
Also, I had a kernel update yesterday that updated while I was doing other stuff. No problem at all.
Question: Seriously why does M$ take over your entire machine for an update?
Answer: Poorly developed software. It's just true. 
Microsoft was supposed to be the consumer product and Linux was supposed to be hobbyist but it seems M$ didn't get the memo. 😁
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raddevus wrote: Microsoft was supposed to be the consumer product and Linux was supposed to be hobbyist but it seems M$ didn't get the memo. 😁
I'd say the memo you didn't get is the one that says MS doesn't care about consumers anymore, except for the Xbox division. Windows's role has diminished tremendously, and while they certainly maintain it and will keep doing so for years to come, this is not where they dedicate their talent pool. Office is still a cash cow because there's no "real" alternative. Even so, it's evolved into a subscription, and the primary target for those subscriptions are businesses, not consumers. Have a look at their current mission statement - the OS no longer matters; they're just trying to reach their customers wherever they might be.
Seriously, as a developer, don't even try to talk to MS these days unless you're doing something Azure-related. This is their focus.
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My guess is you have registry or file system corruption. Windows Upgrades have long been brittle when either the registry or file system are corrupt. My recommendation is to download the retail version from Microsoft and extract it to a USB drive. Then backup your system and reimage, to include deleting the partition table.
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That is a really, really big hammer.
I think I'll just keep using my machine as-is. I hard rebooted, deleted the SoftwareDistribution folder, and windows is no longer trying to get me to update to the latest and greatest.
Given I'm running under Bootcamp, reimaging everything to solve this issue is like knocking down a house to fix a leaky tap.
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Chris Maunder
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Chris Maunder wrote: to solve this issue
WIndows 7 ?
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W∴ Balboos, GHB wrote: WIndows 7 ?
As much as I'd prefer to stick with 7, have you tried to do a clean install these days, and then bring it up to date?
It's a crapshoot. It may work, it may abort and roll back...but either way you're in for hours. Seriously, I've installed from the same ISO, for multiple VMs, on the same host (so the hardware, even though it's virtualized, is absolutely identical in every way), and one might succeed while another may fail installing updates. It makes absolutely no sense.
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Windows 7 was absolutely horrible when it came to updates. I had more problems with Windows 7 updates than I've ever had with Windows 10.
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Windows 7 Updates: Optional, and if you wanted them, it was WHEN you wanted them
Window 10 Updates: You bought the machine; you paid for the software - but Micro$loth owns it. Basically, you're just considered a donor.
(You did read the OP, and how it happens in the middle of things, at time?)
I've posted this remark many times before: My upgrade from Windows 7 is Linux.
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Chris, If you have VS Professional MSDN you can put in a ticket.
I had a problem where 2019 wouldn't install, kept erroring out on the same errors & repaired same & rerun & get same errors.
Got some local help & we still weren't able to get it to install.
Finally in desperation, put in a trouble call to MS through my MSDN subscription. Took the fellow about a week, but finally got the 2019 update installed.
You can also put in the ticket w/o the subscription; costs about $400.
Either way I was very pleased and the money was well worth it.
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A pop-up or any other kind of feedback, other than those stupid animations running in a different thread that don't really tell you anything and keep running even if the thread doing the actual work has "expired", would be nice.
But we live in a world of ignorance and obscurity where the user can't know what the update is actually doing because the user must be treated as an ignorant and telling what the installer is doing would make rival companies know how the program works! Or so I was told... by an employer.
I had that install/update problem happen to me in...
1) Win98 and, after too many days trying to install (so many that it is embarrassing to say the exact number), it ended up being a conspiracy between the installer and the HDD. The installer toke so long to start that the HDD would go to sleep and the installer didn't wake it. I only found out because I decided to get the manufacturers diagnostic utilities for every device on the PC and tested. After disabling power management on the HDD using the utility it installed with no problem.
2) WinXP had several issues but I remember one of them being a forgotten entry on the registry from a program (can't remember which) and the lack of a big enough swap.
3) Win7 was the infamous bogus update installer that would not correctly connect to MS update servers, and a joystick. Yes, having a joystick connected was, apparently, Win7 Achilles heel, at least on my system. When not in a game that used the joystick, like a flight simulator, I had to physically disconnect the joystick or win7 would start detecting random input from it, the system would become slow and, eventually, freeze. Not even ctrl+alt+del would save it.
4) Win10... Actually never had a problem with it since I could never install it. The installer says that my super expensive (at the time I bought it) AMD Phenom II x6 1055T CPU, 32GB RAM, 16TB HDD "is not supported because your CPU does not support NX", which it does, according to their separate MS compatibility utility. So, I upgraded to Ubuntu  .
So, my advice would be to start by disabling all power savings, disconnect all non-essential devices, scan your registry for problems, check that you have enough free disk space with a big enough swap, close all programs except the installer/updater and don't go away until you see that installation bar moving with a clearly readable "Installing". Maybe then, who knows.
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I got so annoyed with Windows 10 updates that I totally disabled the updater on my PC. Unfortunately, I can't remember how I did it and I couldn't switch it back on if I wanted to (standard fixes don't work). I rely entirely on anti-malware now. Then again, I ran XP for years after it expired with anti-malware and I never had any problems. MS needs a better model.
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tavern chief alerting owner (7)
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I think I've got it, but I'll give the others a chance for a few hours first.
"I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony
"Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt
AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!
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There weren't any other takers, so want to have a go at it?
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tavern BAR
chief KING alerting owner
BARKING
"I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony
"Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt
AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!
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Like ancient Rome, they fall under their own arrogant weight.
I'm referring (primarily) to engines on shopping sites but the petulance surely spreads.
So, for example, you're on Amazon.com (probably the most ubiquitous online shopping site in the world). You search for 1/16" FOOBARS . Your return will include some of those. And Foobar of other sizes, as well. And possibly things with 1/16" in their description. OK - so far it's the engine OR-ing the keywords. Not great but an acceptable choice on their part.
How does that explain the hand sanitizer? Face Masks? Sandpaper? Note that I'm not logged in (where they keep track of previous purchases) and my browser deletes cookies, flash cookies, and history when it's closed. It's not looking into my dark and shady past. They seem to be just throwing random things into the search. Same thing, if one request the sort "Low to High Prices". Since when does $39.95 come between $3.99 and $4.29 ?
I think by now I've made it clear - you search for something; they give a few of those and then push whatever else it is that they want to sell.
Brick and Mortar? All is not yet lost !
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W∴ Balboos, GHB wrote: Since when does $39.95 come between $3.99 and $4.29 ?
When they're doing a string comparison instead of a numeric comparison?
"These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined."
- Homer
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Besides how dismally stupid that would be (on their part - they're a big grown-up company), the values are probably stored as FP, and should sort properly. Most of the orderimg seems to fit that scenario.
I attribute it to marketing and "sponsored product". For pricing, before the sort request, I could fully understand them allowing people to buy their way to the top. They are not, after all, a charity.
It's like stuff piled up at the end-caps of isles in stores - to entice you into buying something. However, once I walk down the pasta isle I don't want to find motor oil between linguini and rotini.
I guess the question is really "Do marketing people every consider how they'd like things to be when they shop?" What if the answer to that is yes and this is what we get?
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I wouldn't like to make any assumptions about how they store their data.
Don't forget, the product price could be in a different currency to the currency they're showing you, and might attract different levels of tax depending on where it ships from and where it's delivered to. It's not going to be as simple as a single FP value.
"These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined."
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For small differences, what you say could be what's happening.
When it's an order of magnitude difference - well, I don't think so.
Furthermore, pricing, currency-to-currency (thus country to country) is not merely by calculating a currency conversion. It's more like what you pointed out - various polices affect the price. A separate price listing for each of the markets they support. Separate product availability, shipping costs and regulations, &etc., would be required.
You're talking about, in this case, one of the largest corporations in the world. I don't give them that slack for a phenomenon becoming both more prolific and bold.
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