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I'll tell his widow, she'll be very comforted.
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obermd wrote: Multiple studies,
That SCREAMS with the logic of what you didn't put down: and that was what MOST studies have shown.
You find and believe what you want to find and believe. QAnon relied up that frame of "logic" to get a following.
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Masks are generally poor at protecting the wearer.
The Danish study you refer to, only measured whether the wearer was protected or not, and the result only showed a small difference that was not statistically significant.
The whole point with wearing a mask is to protect others, that's the reason a surgeon is wearing a mask while operating.
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Over here (Sweden), people are pretty good at keeping the distance, but you're not obliged to wear a mask, so less than one third does.
I have noticed though that when I wear one other keep better distance to me.
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Jörgen Andersson wrote:
I have noticed though that when I wear one other keep better distance to me.
Well, that's because you're wearing a hockey mask and people have seen Friday the 13th! 
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I don't do hockey.
But you might be on the right track... Balaclava (clothing) - Wikipedia[^]
The baseball bat probably doesn't help either.
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Never stop dreaming - Freddie Kruger
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I'm appalled by some of the self-righteousness in this thread. Even the "authorities" have said conflicting things, but anyone who doesn't adhere to the "facts" as some people see them is to be vilified.
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And I'm appalled that people want to grandstand for the sake of grandstanding in the face of common sense and courtesy to others.
Just because something isn't 100% effective doesn't mean it's "bad" or "of no use".
Every. Bit. Counts.
Me? I wear a mask. I wash my hands. I keep my distance from others. I limit my shopping and try and go at quiet times. I don't bubble with other families. None of these, in isolation, will work. Together, they reduce my risk, and hence the risk to my family and neighbours and the old guy down the road, but a measurable amount.
If we all stop acting like this is someone else's problem to deal with then we'd all be able to get back to a semblance of normality. The bookend to Rights are Responsibilities.
However, I constantly question the science, and try to keep up with the latest, always evolving understanding of this pandemic. I'm not in a position to say "washing hands reduces the risk by X%" or "wearing a mask helps by Y%". For all we know it could be eating celery is what we all actually need to do. Who knows?
But in the meantime I will do what's asked and wear a mask because it's pathetically easy, it doesn't hurt, it fits in with my basic understanding of the mechanics of virus transmission in general, and because it's a simple gesture to say to my community "I'll do this tiny, tiny bit to help".
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Chris Maunder
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Chris Maunder wrote: For all we know it could be eating celery is what we all actually need to do.
In that case, we're doomed! Doomed, I tell you!
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As long as it isn't cilantro, I'm OK with it. 
"the debugger doesn't tell me anything because this code compiles just fine" - random QA comment
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Quote: As long as it isn't cilantro, I'm OK with it
And garlic  Don't forget garlic
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So we know who's not going to Gilroy California anytime soon. 
"the debugger doesn't tell me anything because this code compiles just fine" - random QA comment
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Whenever I get near that town, I make sure it's downwind from me!
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Drove through Gilroy many times when living in San Jose and heading south, either to wineries or to hike Pinnacles.
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You hate garlic?! It's right up there with bacon, in that almost anything is yummier with it! 
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Celery is just evil.
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Chris Maunder
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Not as evil as cilantro! My wife detests it even more than I do. I once carelessly picked it up instead of parsley and almost could have ended up auditioning for a boys' choir.
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Greg Utas wrote: Not as evil as cilantro!
Indeed, I wouldn't sully a sewer with that vile weed.
"the debugger doesn't tell me anything because this code compiles just fine" - random QA comment
"Facebook is where you tell lies to your friends. Twitter is where you tell the truth to strangers." - chriselst
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And if the government told you to cripple your business down to 10 or 15% of its normal revenue. Would you still be so happy go lucky?
If you can't laugh at yourself - ask me and I will do it for you.
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DRHuff wrote: And if the government told you to cripple your business down to 10 or 15% of its normal revenue.
Would that then make those businesses even more reliant on the government?
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How did we get from "wearing a mask" to "crippling a business".
I'm a business owner. I am very, very aware of the issues us small business owners are facing.
Please don't link social responsibility with the strategy and philosophies of how governments are and are not responding to this crisis. They are two very different things.
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Chris Maunder
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Yep, it's another one of those things that seems to polarise people.
One is either in or out, there is no complexity or room for discussion.
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Here, Nassau County in NY, people are pretty good about it. My community is very non-urban, so if you go out for a walk you may likely wear it on your chin unless someone is approaching. Then on it goes. Public places, stores, etc., make sure you wear them (if for no other reason than to not be closed down).
Although idiot still exist (so many Millions in NY State), the memory of what we went through to begin with and how COVID was beaten back to below 1% (before the Traveling morons decided an uptick was needed). Many stores still keep their (extra early AM) seniors/nurse/EMT hours, even when occupancy restrictions were lifted.
And, of course, one need only look at the states that found it more comfortable to pretend it was all a Hoax, or just another flu, and that they should have spent time building more hospitals as they weren't going to otherwise inconvenience themselves.
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Slow Eddie wrote: It Seems to me that British TV is far superior to American TV
I guess you have not seen much British TV. The current schedules are full of dross, Coronation Street, Eastenders, Emmerdale (in all of which, everyone hates everyone else), Mrs. Brown's Boys (awful), far too many cookery programs, rarely a decent film ...
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I don't know about current UK TV programs, but The Boss and I like to watch older British shows on Amazon TV and Britbox. US TV just has to many brainless, rubbish shows to our liking. We stream the British shows, so we don't even need cable to watch.
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