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5teveH wrote: And, BTW, lock-down in March did stop the spread,
So why is it still here? The November lockdown was so we wouldn't be locked down over Christmas and after November the lockdowns continued ever more harshly not just for Christmas but the whole of December and now with literally no end in sight. Who knows, keep locking us down, maybe one of them will work?
5teveH wrote: But I'm sure the government would be more than happy to hear from anyone who can suggest a better option.....
Are you sure? Really? When was the last time you heard the phrase "herd immunity"? The thing that has got humans through things way worse than something with a 99% survival rate.
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I am happy to accept that we will have to agree to disagree on this, but I have to correct your interpretation of what I said. "stop the spread" does not mean "eradicate" and I was not suggesting lock-down would do that.
And I'm pretty sure that "herd immunity" would have been considered, but quickly discounted once the consequences were considered - i.e: millions seriously ill; 100,000s dead; and the complete overwhelming of the NHS. That doesn't seem like a 'policy' a Government is ever going to be brave enough to go with! So, it's not even an option, never mind a better option.
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F-ES Sitecore wrote: they just don't work and\or are simply not compatible with human life?
Being killed by a disease is also noticeably incompatible with human life.
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Rich Leyshon wrote: Being killed by a disease is also noticeably incompatible with human life.
A disease that has killed less than 400 (otherwise) healthy people under the age of 60 in a country with a population of 66,000,000. I'll take my chances 
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Great, but how many people that aren't as healthy get infected by those that go on to recover?
I speak as someone who had a colleague with no major underlying health issues (admittedly getting on a bit) that died.
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The average age of people who die "from" covid-1984 is the same as the average age people die anyway. There is no statistical significance of covid over any other cause of death in the elderly.
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I'll tell his widow, she'll be very comforted.
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obermd wrote: Multiple studies,
That SCREAMS with the logic of what you didn't put down: and that was what MOST studies have shown.
You find and believe what you want to find and believe. QAnon relied up that frame of "logic" to get a following.
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Masks are generally poor at protecting the wearer.
The Danish study you refer to, only measured whether the wearer was protected or not, and the result only showed a small difference that was not statistically significant.
The whole point with wearing a mask is to protect others, that's the reason a surgeon is wearing a mask while operating.
Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello
Never stop dreaming - Freddie Kruger
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Over here (Sweden), people are pretty good at keeping the distance, but you're not obliged to wear a mask, so less than one third does.
I have noticed though that when I wear one other keep better distance to me.
Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello
Never stop dreaming - Freddie Kruger
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Jörgen Andersson wrote:
I have noticed though that when I wear one other keep better distance to me.
Well, that's because you're wearing a hockey mask and people have seen Friday the 13th! 
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I don't do hockey.
But you might be on the right track... Balaclava (clothing) - Wikipedia[^]
The baseball bat probably doesn't help either.
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Never stop dreaming - Freddie Kruger
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I'm appalled by some of the self-righteousness in this thread. Even the "authorities" have said conflicting things, but anyone who doesn't adhere to the "facts" as some people see them is to be vilified.
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And I'm appalled that people want to grandstand for the sake of grandstanding in the face of common sense and courtesy to others.
Just because something isn't 100% effective doesn't mean it's "bad" or "of no use".
Every. Bit. Counts.
Me? I wear a mask. I wash my hands. I keep my distance from others. I limit my shopping and try and go at quiet times. I don't bubble with other families. None of these, in isolation, will work. Together, they reduce my risk, and hence the risk to my family and neighbours and the old guy down the road, but a measurable amount.
If we all stop acting like this is someone else's problem to deal with then we'd all be able to get back to a semblance of normality. The bookend to Rights are Responsibilities.
However, I constantly question the science, and try to keep up with the latest, always evolving understanding of this pandemic. I'm not in a position to say "washing hands reduces the risk by X%" or "wearing a mask helps by Y%". For all we know it could be eating celery is what we all actually need to do. Who knows?
But in the meantime I will do what's asked and wear a mask because it's pathetically easy, it doesn't hurt, it fits in with my basic understanding of the mechanics of virus transmission in general, and because it's a simple gesture to say to my community "I'll do this tiny, tiny bit to help".
cheers
Chris Maunder
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Chris Maunder wrote: For all we know it could be eating celery is what we all actually need to do.
In that case, we're doomed! Doomed, I tell you!
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows.
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As long as it isn't cilantro, I'm OK with it. 
"the debugger doesn't tell me anything because this code compiles just fine" - random QA comment
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Quote: As long as it isn't cilantro, I'm OK with it
And garlic  Don't forget garlic
Get me coffee and no one gets hurt!
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So we know who's not going to Gilroy California anytime soon. 
"the debugger doesn't tell me anything because this code compiles just fine" - random QA comment
"Facebook is where you tell lies to your friends. Twitter is where you tell the truth to strangers." - chriselst
"I don't drink any more... then again, I don't drink any less." - Mike Mullikins uncle
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Whenever I get near that town, I make sure it's downwind from me!
Get me coffee and no one gets hurt!
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Drove through Gilroy many times when living in San Jose and heading south, either to wineries or to hike Pinnacles.
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You hate garlic?! It's right up there with bacon, in that almost anything is yummier with it! 
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Celery is just evil.
cheers
Chris Maunder
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Not as evil as cilantro! My wife detests it even more than I do. I once carelessly picked it up instead of parsley and almost could have ended up auditioning for a boys' choir.
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Greg Utas wrote: Not as evil as cilantro!
Indeed, I wouldn't sully a sewer with that vile weed.
"the debugger doesn't tell me anything because this code compiles just fine" - random QA comment
"Facebook is where you tell lies to your friends. Twitter is where you tell the truth to strangers." - chriselst
"I don't drink any more... then again, I don't drink any less." - Mike Mullikins uncle
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And if the government told you to cripple your business down to 10 or 15% of its normal revenue. Would you still be so happy go lucky?
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