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I haven't considered it as it's not really my wheelhouse - managing people that is.
I've been spending most of my time learning Arduino through trial and error just because the forums are so bad. I use them as a last resort, but the best they ever are for me is an (abusive) rubber duck so I tend to avoid them.
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an abusive rubber duck 
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They are big fish in a little pond. Visit the site, participate and get what you can out of it while you contribute. Stay with the tech stuff, ignore the rest. Don't try to prove anything.
If you combat and get driven away, it is lose, lose.
As OG says, break out the popcorn. 
If you can keep your head while those about you are losing theirs, perhaps you don't understand the situation.
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I've tried. I'm just sick of being abused there. It happens pretty much every time, and the place is just toxic, frankly.
I don't need that kind of dynamic in my life, so I'll pass. I could have left silently but then I'd have felt like a doormat, and I'd rather leave on my terms so I can put the place behind me, mentally and emotionally.
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honey the codewitch wrote: I could have left silently but then I'd have felt like a doormat, and I'd rather leave on my terms so I can put the place behind me, mentally and emotionally.
In my opinion... Well done.
M.D.V. 
If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about?
Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you
Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
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Thanks. I just ... got so frustrated when it was strongly insinuated that I was either lying about where my code would run or lying about it being my code.
"If you could write code like that you wouldn't be here asking for help" or some such, after I attached my code to my question post.
I mean am I completely out of line for getting angry over that?
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In my opinion... not.
I would have probably exploded sooner than you.
M.D.V.
If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about?
Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you
Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
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Getting banned? Perhaps.
Another possibility (my forte is life is possibilities, sometimes to excess),
I think, perhaps, the rude and arrogant replies were an audition. With the reply of which you just gave an accounting, I think you will soon be asked to become a moderator.
Are you up to the job?
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Oh please no. I don't manage people. It's not my thing.
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Then you fit the profile, you're starting tomorrow!
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honey the codewitch wrote: As part of my ongoing drama...
Therein lies the problem. You knew from the git-go that the site was not to your liking, yet you continue to go back. Are you are just looking for a reason to justify your spouting, or do you have a legitimate purpose you hope to solve?
"One man's wage rise is another man's price increase." - Harold Wilson
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"You can easily judge the character of a man by how he treats those who can do nothing for him." - James D. Miles
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I use(d) them as an absolute last resort when I couldn't find answers for arduinos anywhere else.
Like when my code itself was corrupting the Arduino simply by being uploaded, even when it wasn't run. That sort of thing that only people that play with Arduinos will have run into.
It's either that or avrfreaks and I've heard that place is as toxic.
The problem is there's nowhere else to go. It would be nice if there was an arduino forum here. I'd contribute, certainly.
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You got my vote.
I've never been, specifically, to arduino.cc, but I have been rather vocal to moderators on some other site/forum I had been on for years after I had been pointing out that they were actively promoting what I referred to as "crapware" that really provided nothing of value (think registry cleaner type of software). I think they were sponsors of the site, and The Powers That Be didn't like me calling them out.
I'm not the type to burn bridges, but I made an exception in this case and left under no uncertain terms.
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Thanks. I was angry both when I responded and when I wrote the CP post about my response**, but at least I know I'm not the only here that has been fed up enough with some place that they're just like "kill it with fire"
** some mod really pushed my buttons by insinuating I was lying about the code I wrote, or maybe about it being my code in the first place. It was hard to avoid taking it personally. I would have let it pass, but I've been put off by their attitudes toward *other* commenters there every time I am reduced to visiting (there's not many other places to go for arduino related questions esp about the toolchain and IDE)
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Very bad starvation makes for celebration. (8)
sorta themed...
Software rusts. Simon Stephenson, ca 1994. So does this signature. me, 2012
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"I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony
"Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt
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very bad => evil
starvation => fast
makes => ana
celebration => festival
If this is correct, I think OG figured this out way before me. OG is welcome to do tomorrow's. 
// TODO: Insert something here Top ten reasons why I'm lazy
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You can't get out of it that easily! You're up tomorrow.
Cheers,
Peter
Software rusts. Simon Stephenson, ca 1994. So does this signature. me, 2012
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 No worries.
// TODO: Insert something here Top ten reasons why I'm lazy
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No, no - I did yesterdays, and you posted the answer before I did - so if it's right, you are up tomorrow! 
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Covid edition[^]
"I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony
"Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt
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For sure they help me keep me inside (not that I ever needed any encouragement on that) because I farking despise them, especially considering my prescription lenses.
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den2k88 wrote: especially considering my prescription lenses.
Because they steam up?
Tiny drop of washing up liquid, rub it over both sides of both lenses, and then buff it off. It leaves an invisible layer of detergent which lowers the surface tension of the breath droplets so they form an even layer over the whole surface instead of microdrops which "fog" them up. Lasts about two weeks.
Try it: after buffing breathe heavily on them and see what happens.
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Tried multiple times with different detergents, didn't work.
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Not to keep you trying everything in sight, but rub on a tiny bit of bar-soap and spread it thin. I've done that for bathroom mirrors (in cooler weather) to keep them from fogging due to showers.
Not all detergents (as in the liquid stuff) are the same and few of them have actual soap in them as it's unnecessary for their intended (grease disrupting) purpose.
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modified 22-Dec-20 7:56am.
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