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Self governing car is not a rodent that has lost direction! (10)
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As I'm rarely free at 9am to post one, I'll resist the urge to answer.
Combining "self governing" and "lost direction" in a sentence is getting quite close to politics for a Welshman!
How's the brilliant "Pubs can open with no beer until 6pm at which point they shut to prevent any useful food trade" going? The numbers in my old stomping ground look rather bad at the moment ...
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I don't hear anyone complaining! 
Mind you, I don't go to pubs these days except for a meal, or a wake.
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OriginalGriff wrote: Self governing car is not a rodent that has lost direction! (10)
Self governing
car AUTO
not NO
a rodent that has lost direction MOUS
AUTONOMOUS
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And that, my friend, means you are up tomorrow! 
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Back in the days of yore, when I did my C programming, I discovered alloca(). Used inside of functions, instead of malloc() (for example), it would free allocated memory when you left the function. I didn't look into the workings but I'd presume it used the stack for memory.
Update: Quick Search [^] and it's in C++, too - and it does use the stack for allocatons.
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W∴ Balboos, GHB wrote: I'd presume it used the stack for memory.
Yep, exactly.
I had the habit of making objects "stackable" whenever possible, for example strings had fixed size straight into the struct, so the whole object was a single contiguous dataspace easily allocatable in the stack and passed around with a memcpy. Of course it isn't alwasy the best option but I like it when it is.
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Some of the references warn against its use.
So far as I can tell, it's based upon usage and gotcha's that are common in C - in other words, C is for grownup who take responsibility for their actions.
Simply put - know what you're doing when you do it. Don't free() it - well, duh! That's the point of using it. Beware of stack overflows. Always keep your wits about you with memory usage. Don't use in recursive functions or loops. In a loop, index the allocations into an array of pointers, or, if you want to reuse the same one, allocate it before the loop . . . just like the other memory functions.
Seems standard enough - for the grownups in the room
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Yeah which is why i don't use it.
I have StaticMemoryPool<C> which can allocate a fixed amount of data from the heap or the stack (capacity C known at compile time) and DynamicMemoryPool which allocates a capacity specified at runtime, but always from the heap.
using dynamic stack allocations is messy because its intertwined with scope. Plus it goes out of scope with the function ends making wrapping it not a thing. Maybe that's why it's warned against. *shrug* I really don't know.
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It's only scope, certainly how I used it, was within the function - scope was never a problem. Memory wasn't humongous, then, so allocations were done with care, anyway. There was expanded and extended memory.* It's built in (usually) and automatic. About the only complaint I found really valid is that it's existence in a compiler is not (or was not) guaranteed as it was an official standard. It happened to be everywhere I was (QuickC, MS-C, Wacom-C) on DOS and NT, manly;
Now I live in a stateless world of web development. I will say, however, that with the 400 users, an occasional server request gets an out-of-memory error. I increased it in php.ini a couple of times, but for the most part, the DBA and I share info and he forces filters them to not ask for a million records. A better long-term solution.
*I made a page-swapper so I could access lots of it smoothly beyond the 64K in the original page frame.
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Quote: Some of the references warn against its use.
Simply put - know what you're doing when you do it. Don't free() it - well, duh! That's the point of using it. Beware of stack overflows. Always keep your wits about you with memory usage. Don't use in recursive functions or loops. In a loop, index the allocations into an array of pointers, or, if you want to reuse the same one, allocate it before the loop . . . just like the other memory functions.
Seems standard enough - for the grownups in the room
Don't use alloca(), it's not part of the C standard.
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I read that too; mentioned it somewhere in this thread.
That would be like "Don't Use that Graphics Library - it's not part of the C Standard".*
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Only use code that runs as expected on the DeathStation 9000!
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows.
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(fill in clever retort of your choice)
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That retort is a better retort than I had thought of retorting.
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows.
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Thank you. I've been trying to remember the name of that system for ages. I had been meaning to use it in QA, but it's probably too arcane for 99% of those who post questions there.
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I had a programmer who was notorious for declaring char somestr[256];
and RETURNING somestr out of the function to be used by others.
"But it runs fine in the debugger" was his last refrain... LOL
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declaring it on the stack? ouch.
I only return char*s from functions if I'm using some kind of memory management scheme that allows for it. Unless you implement one C and C++ ... doesn't.
I can't judge people too badly though, considering I just got schooled on using leading underscores in my local member names (a habit I picked up from C#)
But still, you should understand scoping if you're going to get paid to code in the thing.
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Yes, in C#, we (used to) use underscores for local member names. In C++, we used 'm_' for member names. The 'm' told us that it was a class (or struct) member.
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i should have known. i went back to that style and I absolutely hate it.
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One of the problems with stack allocation is on platforms like the ESP32 and most of the arduinos, they don't give you a lot of stack space. I know usually one grows up and the other grows down but I run out of stack declaring 2kB blocks sometimes so there might be some kind of artificial limit.
That's why I usually use the heap for my pools.
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How much can you sell it for? And/or can you get 1 million (or more) devs to use it?
That's our modern (cynical) measure for success so get on board. 
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I gave it away under the MIT license. It was just a little bit of code anyway.
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