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KateAshman26-Nov-20 4:51
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After 5 years of academic research on the subject and 6 years of commercial R&D as primarly a software architect, my conclusions are very similar to yours.

A low learning curve and straightforward structure that only slowly gains complexity over time, is the best possible outcome.

Now, for the last 2 years of working in an almost-enterprise level company, I also notice that almost no-one correctly values that conclusion.

Some scoff at the simplicity, and take it as a personal challenge of sorts, because they've been openly passionate about more intricate solutions in the past. Some drastically undervalue the effort involved, as they equate "simple" with "not a lot of work" and immediately try to displace it with, somewhat ironically, an off-the-cuff idea that's incomplete and more complex to execute.

Let me give you some advice on how to deal with these people.

Instead of explaining why a low learning curve is an integral part of a good design, let them present a small practical example of their own proposal, and give them an audience that judges them on how easy it is to understand, and how easy it will be to maintain.

In my experience, most people take on the bait in a heartbeat. About half quit once they realize their mistake (they tend to recognize the 1+ pages of "having to explain basic stuff first" as a failure and a lesson in humility) and the ones that do present their solution, often feel embarrassed about the whole thing once they realize no-one really understands the words they are saying.

Lessons will be learned and egos will be bruised. Keep a respectful tone throughout and you'll manage just fine.
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