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Teachers, please, teach how to use Google.
"In testa che avete, Signor di Ceprano?"
-- Rigoletto
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To be fair, when a user Googles for their tech questions, they see Code Project in the search results. They then go to Code Project and ask their question, only to be set on fire, made fun of publicly in the Lounge, and then told to use Google.
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So they don't even bother to read the Google links.
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I know the users that want us to do their homework for them is a big PITA, I get that.
But what good is the QA if we don't help new users with their coding issues?
Why even use the QA, even as a professional, if all of our answers are in Google land?
A lot of these users need our help if they are going to succeed in software engineering and development. They have no idea what they are doing yet.
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Yes, but there is a big difference between helping people who make the effort to work their problems, and the ones who just dump their assignment and expect someone else to write it for them.
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Slacker007 wrote: A lot of these users need our help if they are going to succeed in software engineering and development
What do they learn if someone else does their work for them?
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Stop. I don't agree with that at all.
Yes, they have to put in the work, but some people need tutors to understand the fundamentals. mentors.
Not everyone is as smart as you, I am sure. 
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Quote: but some people need tutors to understand the fundamentals. mentors.
Couldn't agree with you more, but asking someone else to do your homework does not fall into the category of tutoring or mentoring. And QA is not a tutoring platform either.
One of the posting guidelines does ask that some basic research is done first - when that hasn't happened at all is the only time I see "go to google" as the response, I've used it myself in that context.
Sometimes half the problem is not knowing "what" to google - so in one sense giving them a succinct (and accurate) search term goes towards tutoring.. again, I've done it before and been thanked by the OP.
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CHill60 wrote: but asking someone else to do your homework does not fall into the category of tutoring or mentoring
agreed
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Slacker007 wrote: but some people need tutors to understand the fundamentals.
Exactly. And that is what their teachers are providing. I strongly suspect that for every one of these who post their homework here, most of the others in the class are working through their course notes and actually doing the work for themselves.
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Slacker007 wrote: A lot of these users need our help if they are going to succeed in software engineering and development.
OK... we won't tell them to use google anymore, we will tell them they should ask you  
M.D.V.
If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about?
Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you
Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
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I will give them an answer. I can't make any promises that it will be the correct answer. I might end up having to use Google.  
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Slacker007 wrote: I might end up having to use Google.
M.D.V.
If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about?
Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you
Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
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Quote: To be fair, when a user Googles for their tech questions, they see Code Project in the search results
So they have not properly learnt how to use Google (most of the time there is no reason to go down till the CodeProject entry).
Quote: They then go to Code Project and ask their question, only to be set on fire
That occasionally happens, despite we usually help.
Quote: made fun of publicly in the Lounge
That also something happens.
Quote: and then told to use Google.
This is completely wrong: My first and foremost suggestion is to Google for.
"In testa che avete, Signor di Ceprano?"
-- Rigoletto
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When I see someone in QA (or in the Discussions forums) who has made a good-faith effort to solve the assignment, I will help them over the hurdle. Those who just post their homework assignment don't even get a reply. Life is too short...
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows.
-- 6079 Smith W.
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Slacker007 wrote: To be fair, when a user Googles for their tech questions, they see Code Project in the search results.
Really? I can't remember the last time I saw a CP link in my Google. I used to see an occasional article for more complex issues, but even back pre-stackoverflow Google's results were always a mix of usenet scraper sites, msdn forums, expert-sexchange, and random blogs. CP forums never showed up.
Now it's just SO and random blogs.
Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, weighing all things in the balance of reason?
Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful?
--Zachris Topelius
Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies.
-- Sarah Hoyt
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I think you just like being argumentative and abrasive with me in general.
Code Project is the 7th recommended link, at least for me:
c - Google Search[^]
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Slacker007 wrote: I think you just like being argumentative and abrasive with me in general.
I don't normally even look at who posted a message before I reply.
Slacker007 wrote:
Code Project is the 7th recommended link, at least for me:
c - Google Search[^]
If you want to duel anecdotes, the last question I threw at Google (a basic syntax lookup) was still in my search box, code project didn't make a showing until page 3.
razor show raw html - Google Search
Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, weighing all things in the balance of reason?
Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful?
--Zachris Topelius
Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies.
-- Sarah Hoyt
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Perhaps we ought to change the meaning of the term "LOW LEVEL LANGUAGE" whereby it refers to the user's abilities?
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Well, if someone is new to Calculus, then should we expect them to be "high level" at the beginning? of course not.
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I don't mind these questions so long as the asker is up front about this being a homework assignment. It changes how we answer from "give a man a fish" to "teach a man to fish".
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All of my packages need an update, according to NuGet.
I'm on .NET Core 3.1 and .NET 5 was apparently just released.
So all my packages should go from 3.1.x to 5.0.0, according to NuGet.
Except that when I update, my software breaks because THIS IS NOT A .NET 5 PROJECT!
I've had this issue with .NET Core 1.x -> 2.1 -> 2.2 -> 3.0 and -> 3.1
The worst part is, I do need an upgrade from 3.1.x to 3.1.y, but that's not an easy (or obvious) task now as it selects the latest version by default (which is 5).
How difficult can it be to only target packages for the project's .NET version?
![Elephant | [mastadon]](https://codeproject.global.ssl.fastly.net/script/Forums/Images/elephant.gif) ing NuGet 
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I had the same problem when EF Core 3.0 was first released - my .NET Framework project kept trying to update, and failing because the update required .NET Standard 2.1. 
I also have to be extremely careful with any projects referencing EPPlus v4. I don't want to upgrade to v5, since it's now a commercial product, but NuGet keeps offering to update the package.
"These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined."
- Homer
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There's a checkbox "Include prerelease", they should add "Include major updates" and "Include commercial updates" (or maybe some license picker).
That should not even be hard to implement.
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Use NiGet instead 
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