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Frameworks?
We don't need no stinkin' frameworks!
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Gerry Schmitz wrote: Anybody else achieve HTML5 mastery?
I made an attempt in 2013: HTML5 Quick Start Web Application
It's good but with so many frameworks coming in off late( specifically last 2-3 years), believe it did not go that far as expected (people attraction pov). But again, this is the new base of HTML and thus always helpful for a web app irrespective of a framework. Browsers still stick to new standards and comply with it.
I recently shared a tip with others about it: HTML DOM designMode Property
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You've answered my question in another way: no one apparently is using HTML5 for Windows "app" development (which is what caught my attention in the first place back then). Whether that means a desktop app that can run in a browser, I don't know. Seems I don't need to know.
It was only in wine that he laid down no limit for himself, but he did not allow himself to be confused by it.
― Confucian Analects: Rules of Confucius about his food
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Gerry Schmitz wrote: no one apparently is using HTML5 for Windows "app" development
Never say never: I might be the odd man out but I've been doing that for a number of years now. After getting tired of MS changing their UI tools I decided to stick with a browser and HTML. My apps include a tiny server, leave all the formatting issues to to browser and use JSON for communication between the two.
With a few tricks, I manage to pack everything in one exe file and tell my customers to do installation in DOS fashion: you copy the file somewhere an run it. Do you remember those days?
Mircea
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 Look forward to your article(s) !
«One day it will have to be officially admitted that what we have christened reality is an even greater illusion than the world of dreams.» Salvador Dali
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Gerry Schmitz wrote: You've answered my question in another way: no one apparently is using HTML5 for Windows "app" development
Oh! Apologies my bad then. If your query was related to Windows App, no have not used HTML5 in windows app. I see WPF (XAML) being set as standard for any windows app in our organisation. Myself too is more comfortable with WPF app and don't even think of HTML5 in the mix.
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Just because you asked:
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That was five years ago ... which doesn't mean you still don't need the question answered ...
I still need to know.
(I turned to XAML because of it's WPF relationship and the fact that animating in FLASH was rumored to be childish and bad-habit-forming ,,, HTML5 seems to be some side-effect of secure HTTP web page development and who cares about such things as they neither can nor ever will be able to have effect there on.)
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BCP is for machine consumption, not human / pretty printing. That's what Reporting Services is for.
It was only in wine that he laid down no limit for himself, but he did not allow himself to be confused by it.
― Confucian Analects: Rules of Confucius about his food
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HTML5 is fantastic and amazing and solves deployment issues.
HTML5 is also a way around the iPhone app store (via PWA Progressive Web Apps).
A PWA has a feature (ServiceWorker) which allows the entire SPA (Single Page App) to be stored in a local file cache. That means everything works offline so even if the user loses connectivity or whatever.
I recently did this to escape the App Store. Now my app is fully functional on iPhones/iPads but all you have to do is go to my web site to see it: C'YaPass : Never type a password again[^]
The PWA also includes a functionality that allows the user to "Save to desktop" which will save the icon to the user's device so that the user can start it like any other app -- instead of having to go to a specific web page -- even though it is just the browser running the app.
In other worlds, I have used ElectronJS Electron | Build cross-platform desktop apps with JavaScript, HTML, and CSS.[^] ElectronJS (based upon HTML5) to create one code base that allows my app to be deployed to Win, Mac, & Linux. It works great.
Yes, I was a WinForms dev (C++ then C#) since Win3.1 but I'm embrace the new tech because deployment is really the worst challenge. If you don't believe that, it is because you have not had to build installation packages on the various Windows OSes. It was terrible all along the way then the challenges of Win Vista and ProgramData ProgramFiles AppData and all that. Phew...
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Glad it's working for you.
"Windows OS" deployment is better these days. When you build a (UWP) app package, you indicate the devices you want: x86, x64, ARM, xbox. You get a package that contains all, and the Store deploys what the customer supports. There is also a certification step that will highlight any issues; which is usually a "branding" image that is too big.
It was only in wine that he laid down no limit for himself, but he did not allow himself to be confused by it.
― Confucian Analects: Rules of Confucius about his food
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Gerry Schmitz wrote: "Windows OS" deployment is better these days.
That's great to hear. I did try some of the UWP app building and deployment to MS app store and the packages do seem quite a bit better. It just felt that I didn't get much for it since there are no MS phones and I couldn't deploy elsewhere.
Good to hear they're settling out the deployment challenges though.
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Hololense is / was x86 with Windows 10, multiple cameras, speakers, Bluetooth, One Drive, etc. I don't know why MS doesn't / can't just build an x86 phone.
It was only in wine that he laid down no limit for himself, but he did not allow himself to be confused by it.
― Confucian Analects: Rules of Confucius about his food
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Gerry Schmitz wrote: don't know why MS doesn't / can't just build an x86 phone.
Also, (I mention this a lot) in 2002 I was running a PocketPC (from Dell) that I could use to edit MS-Word documents on and read ebooks. I loved that thing. I used it for 10 years and it worked great (no updates were fine). Anyways, at that same time another dev I was working with bought a phone that ran PocketPC 2002 and he used it every day.
Apple didn't release their smart phone until 2007. MS was 5 years ahead and gave up!! 
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raddevus wrote: MS was 5 years ahead and gave screw it up!!
FTFY
M.D.V. 
If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about?
Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you
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You should have a look to UNO [^] platform.
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XAML? What's that?
- I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.
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IMO HTML5 is great, it makes life easier. XAML is clunky and illogical by comparison to HTML. I only use it because I have to support legacy projects. XAML is one of those technologies where Microsoft seemed to pointlessly re-invent the wheel, but as a square.
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WPF is good, but he forgets to mention the most important point: HTML5 = platform independent. Plus rollout to live environments is so much easier. The only platform that is not 100% ready for HTML5 is mobile, but WPF is not mobile either.
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... took me a while to realize they meant "Autumn", not "the collapse of civilization".
"I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony
"Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt
AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!
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RickZeeland wrote: Strangely it scores quite high on IMDB
When did that ever mean anything? 
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Guess it's all a matter of taste, and lots of people simply have no taste 
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RickZeeland wrote: people simply have no taste
Definition of people with no taste : people who do not like what I like. 
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Exactly, bonus points!
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Rage wrote: Definition of people with no taste : people who do not like what W∴ Balboos, GHB likes.
FIFY
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