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I remember when everyone was going to get rich raising Chinchillas. Or selling someone else's stuff (e.g. web templates).
It was only in wine that he laid down no limit for himself, but he did not allow himself to be confused by it.
― Confucian Analects: Rules of Confucius about his food
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Ok with great skepticism, I tried it. i put on my small business technophobe hat and set out to recreate the web app I have running in the debugger right now.
Nope. I got confused from the get go.
Try as they might they will NEVER replace the programmer.
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We've heard these arguments before when Machine Code was supplanted by Assembler; when Assembler (1st Generation) was (unsuccessfully) replaced by AutoCoders; then (more successfully) by programming languages (c1957) such as Fortran, Algol and LISP (3rd generation), then by so called 4th Generation tools such as IDEs, Report Generators, etc (c1980), and very unsuccessfully by the Japanese 5th Generation project (again, 1980s).
What happens is that the newer ways of working are disdained by existing programmers until they realise that the newer idioms just enable them to code their designs more quickly in a clearer to read and modify syntax.
I admit that I have not looked at the new no-code / low-code languages, but my guess will be that traditional programmers will not like them until they try them and find that they make the coding part easier but that the real skill (designing robust algorithms and data structures) still persist.
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I think it depends on the contexts of the systems these sort of no-code environments are meant to replace. A lot of companies with in-house software have had the web applications designed in a way that's very specific and integrated into business requirements, and a lot of the no-code alternatives simply don't have support for a lot of the back-end logistics.
I work for a company specialising in fuel cards, and the in-house software we develop (a web application) is enormous, but specifically we integrate with APIs for different fuel card providers (Shell, BP, etc.) which are enormously complex and simply couldn't be accomplished with a no-code system. Our business looked at replacing our software with several generic CRM packages, but each time they realised that the compatibility and complexity just wasn't there.
Unless these no-code environments can provide hugely customisable and complex operations, I don't think there'll be much cause for concern for developers in companies with established systems. It's probably cheaper to maintain the existing systems and have developers augment them than to purchase a whole new system, build it from the ground-up and then have new systems developed which implement the missing features, as well as training staff on how to use and build the no-code platform.
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Chris Copeland wrote: A lot of companies with in-house software have had the web applications designed in a way that's very specific and integrated into business requirements
Chris Copeland wrote: can provide hugely customisable and complex operations,
Exactly.
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First, it's yahoo finance. Second, no.
As others have pointed out, there is still the fundamental foundation of what drives these engines. About 25-30 years ago, I was doing X Windows development. I had some exposure to a Windows program, and I was simply appalled at how you handled event handling. Along that time, Power Builder came along, and I was impressed with how easy it was to build applications. The improvement in productivity was noticable, and when I voiced my concerns about getting put out of business, the tech laughed and said:
"We've found that when you use a tool like this, the users want more and more. Your work load will go up."
Truth. I see low code and no code environments affecting some applications. But nothing earth shattering.
Charlie Gilley
<italic>Stuck in a dysfunctional matrix from which I must escape...
"Where liberty dwells, there is my country." B. Franklin, 1783
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
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COBOL jobs are on the decline!? The sky must be falling.
Only, no. Some COBOL salaries are outrageous now because even though there are few jobs, there are even fewer folks to fill them. Want to take your legacy system to the cloud? Good luck on your hunt for a COBOL + cloud guy. Maybe you can just use Bubble.
No. No, programming jobs won't be disappearing, they won't be doing anything but growing both in number and scope for the next 20-50 years. Erik Brynjolfsson hit the nail far more squarely on the head.
The specifics of what problem you solve with the code you write? Sure. That will change, even regardless of no-code/low-code.
But you think no-code/low-code will supplant the need for developers? Want to buy a bridge? Lol.
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Sure, just like Plug-and-Play put a lot of system administrators out of work (I was warned about this in 1990, when I was a sysadmin). Spoiler alert: It didn't!
Da Bomb
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Meh, many technologies have been and gone, the world is swamped with crappy systems built by people without an IT background, and yet here I still am...
I've even used a couple of these "anyone can build" systems to deliver basic systems to customers and whilst for the most basic of IO, these where fine, it still took something extra to turn it into something really good.
There will always be a place for a highly skilled software developer, who knows the underlying systems inside and out. There will always be the person who either does not have the time or can not work out WYSIWYG system builders and so will hire someone to build it for them.
I simply see this as a change in the tools, not the people. I means once upon a time, we coded websites in notepad, and things like dreamweaver was going to be the death of the web developer.
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I want to thank everyone who replied to my message. I feel much better today after reading your advices and feel less emotional and more calm. It was really nice of you, even you who argued with me. It was mindchanging 
modified 3-Jun-21 21:01pm.
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I don't believe I've seen a post that received more responses than yours. 
And I'm pleased that you found the experience, overall, to be positive.
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Apple Has More Bad News For iPhone 12 Owners[^]
Smaller battery and it uses more power? Odd choice really ...
"I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony
"Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt
AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!
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A minor defence here is that Apple is optimising 5G access so that it hits the energy consuming 5G when needed, and falls back to 4G at other times. Unless you're sitting on 5G for hours, it shouldn't consume more. Further, the new chips are more energy efficient which offsets this a little.
Even so, battery life is down an hour on some models. Video playback is down 1hr to 17hrs for the 12 Pro, but apart from that battery life seems about the same at a practical level.
Time will tell, though.
cheers
Chris Maunder
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Chris Maunder wrote: Video playback is down 1hr
Now I don't do anything on my (no Apple) flip phone but make occasional phone calls. I even have a wrist watch so it's not my on-the-road clock.
That being said, battery life decays with time until it reaches a critical lever for the consumer where they need to buy a new one because it's too inconvenient. That will happen sooner now - and a potential 5% or so sooner (for a company that demands you only patronize them) will be quite a bit of money.
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That, too, gets mitigated by smart charging (they charge only to 80% then give it the full top up at the point they learn you'll most likely need it)
Again, not perfect but in practice it may actually be hard to discern. Is the video playback decrease due to a smaller battery or the higher resolution of the screen?
Besides, how dare you suggest upgrading our phones every year to have the latest and greatest is a Bad Thing! They recycle...stuff. And use solar panels. And Stuff... Surely that will keep me out of The Bad Place?
cheers
Chris Maunder
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Chris Maunder wrote: Surely that will keep me out of The Bad Place?
There are easier ways to avoid going to Detroit ...
"I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony
"Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt
AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!
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...and Tim Cook goes, "peeeeerfect, what's the problem?"
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Chris Maunder wrote: Apple is optimising 5G access so that it hits the energy consuming 5G when needed, and falls back to 4G at other times
Isn't that how it's been working since always 3G.
Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello
Never stop dreaming - Freddie Kruger
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Hey - I just read the marketing slides. You're not suggesting they are presenting favourable statements out of context and recasting attempts to catch up or repurpose technologies into a message of innovation and forward thinking?
cheers
Chris Maunder
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Nah, then they would have forgotten to mention the battery top off tech Sony Experia has had since forever long as well. 
Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello
Never stop dreaming - Freddie Kruger
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All civilisations ultimately destroy themselves from within.
Apple is no different.
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You imply Apple is a civilization?  I can refer to Apple by many names, but not a "civilization"!
I am not wrong. I am just different!
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Optional: s/civilisation/ecosystem/
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OriginalGriff wrote: Odd choice really ...
The really sad thing is that most progress in digital electronics in the last 50 years has been all about exactly these three things: Ever higher integration and higher clock frequencies while lowering the power requirements at the same time. When you go overboard on any two of them, you will also go overboard on the third. Yet another example how those who don't understand the history of what they are working with are doomed to repeat it.
I have lived with several Zen masters - all of them were cats.
His last invention was an evil Lasagna. It didn't kill anyone, and it actually tasted pretty good.
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