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theoldfool6-Oct-20 1:05

theoldfool

6-Oct-20 1:05

I have been running Windows VM's (W2k-W10 and various servers ) for years. I can't remember the last time I had a blue screen. Don't think I have ever seen one on W10. Updates are not a problem, most of what I develop can be done with the NIC turned off. Turn it on and leave it overnight once in a while. But... sometimes oldfool forgets. Sometimes oldfool is, well, an old fool. Smile | :)

If you can keep your head while those about you are losing theirs, perhaps you don't understand the situation.

raddevus6-Oct-20 2:37

6-Oct-20 2:37

Yeah, I agree, the majority of Windows installations work fine. There have just been some annoyances along the way with some odd updates and interrupting type of things.
When win10 released it killed a few laptops in our household until we were able to upgrade them to SSDs and that was a pain. win10 was i/o intensive.

5teveH5-Oct-20 20:47

5teveH

5-Oct-20 20:47

I've been on Kubuntu for over 10 years, running on various desktops and laptops. I have only once had a problem with an upgrade - and that was self-inflicted. Having failed to keep one of my systems up to date for a couple of years, I tried to go straight to the latest release. I spent a painful few hours digging myself out of that, but the end result was a working system, no loss of data and a better understanding of the inner working of Linux.

I agree that upgrades, (and fresh installs) are painless, quick and easy with K/Ubuntu and most modern Linux distributions. And, these days, the desktop experience is excellent. I would also accept that Linux is not good at everything - in particular support for some hardware is iffy and there are still Windows apps which can't be run.

raddevus6-Oct-20 2:40

6-Oct-20 2:40

Yeah, it's always a balancing act with OSes. Linux desktop took a long while to get here and there are still some hobbyist / insider feeling to installing stuff and special hardware setup.
But after you get over those it runs so smoothly. Thumbs Up | :thumbsup:

W∴ Balboos, GHB6-Oct-20 1:37

W∴ Balboos, GHB

6-Oct-20 1:37

I put it on my Intel NUC - a version of ubuntu was available pre-certified for it and, as you'd expect, it pretty much ran right out of the box from the installation.

And of course, the Raspberry PI on Rasberrian (Debian) - again taking advantage of that small RAM footprint.

I spend most of my time on Win7 - but that is in large part because that's what they use "at work".

A silver lining to their having moved to web-based applications: If they move to Win10 at some point I don't have to worry about changing my systems - browsers bring their own O/S (sort of).

Ravings en masse^
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010

raddevus6-Oct-20 2:43

6-Oct-20 2:43

W∴ Balboos, GHB wrote:
I put it on my Intel NUC - a version of ubuntu was available pre-certified for it

W∴ Balboos, GHB wrote:
Raspberry PI on Rasberrian (Debian) - again taking advantage of that small RAM footprint.

W∴ Balboos, GHB wrote:
browsers bring their own O/S (sort of).

I agree. For a while I had a saying, "The Browser _is_ the OS." Smile | :)

W∴ Balboos, GHB6-Oct-20 3:01

W∴ Balboos, GHB

6-Oct-20 3:01

An interesting thought:

JAVA was supposed to be the universal language that ran across all platforms with but a single version, that final comparability being handled for on each system with it's java 'engine'.

Well, as it turns out, we have an even more universal system, which are the browsers. Even if they differ in support, they still work on whatever part of the source they can use. No one really owns it and open source has effectively taken over. I have, for example, installed WaterFox because FireFox stopped supporting some plugins I liked (like one for FTP).

The usage is so massive and there's enough support for the various browsers that no one's the boss.

Ravings en masse^
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010

raddevus6-Oct-20 4:40

6-Oct-20 4:40

W∴ Balboos, GHB wrote:
The usage is so massive and there's enough support for the various browsers that no one's the boss.

I hope it continues that way. Smile | :)

And, your thoughts are also what has created the ElectronJS API (runs on Chrome layer).
Visual Studio Code is built in ElectronJS and runs on all three major platforms (Mac, Win, Linux).

I wrote my own app (CYaPass) as an Electron app and have deployed it to all three platforms successfully and deployed it to the Snap store (app store for Ubuntu[^]).

Electron is honestly an amazing technology, but I know many people hate HTML and JS development.

Joan M6-Oct-20 1:44

6-Oct-20 1:44

I managed a server with Red Hat Enterprise 5.0 years ago, it was robust, stable... all what you can expect from a server + Operating system.

I've got Ubuntu in the ironing room at my parents house... it's been a terrible thing: corrupted software, impossible to update, impossible to start the OS...

Reinstalled it 3 times... At the end I've installed lubuntu... now it stats without issues.

Dead | X|

www.robotecnik.com[^] - robots, CNC and PLC programming

raddevus6-Oct-20 2:47

6-Oct-20 2:47

Good counterpoint story. I know Ubuntu doesn't work for everyone. Wonder what the problems were that caused the issues. Did you try win10 on that box? Were you able to install win10 on the same box? Just curious. I wonder how lubuntu was different that it worked?

Joan M6-Oct-20 7:22

6-Oct-20 7:22

I did, but it's an old all-in-one computer which has some drivers problems which makes windows 10 unusable... it stops the mouse every few seconds for a while... Dead | X|

No idea... Lubuntu seems to need less resources, but I had never seen it working at its limit when ubuntu was there... In fact they only use it to watch TV and to get a few kitchen recipes from Internet...

www.robotecnik.com[^] - robots, CNC and PLC programming

raddevus6-Oct-20 7:54

6-Oct-20 7:54

Any OS that can get old H/W up and running again is amazing in my book! Thumbs Up | :thumbsup:

Joan M6-Oct-20 8:25

6-Oct-20 8:25

yes, yes, that computer works because of lubuntu... which makes it usable and working. and this is great.

It worked well with UBUNTU till everything went haywire... Sigh | :sigh:

www.robotecnik.com[^] - robots, CNC and PLC programming

raddevus6-Oct-20 8:30

6-Oct-20 8:30

I was just taking a look at Lubuntu. I'm going to download the ISO and run it from VirtualBox and check it out. Thanks for the mention! Thumbs Up | :thumbsup:

raddevus6-Oct-20 8:52

6-Oct-20 8:52

Wow, installed Lubuntu as VirtualBox install and it runs great.
The software installer is very nice and the GUI shell looks really great.
I installed Visual Studio Code and it fired right up. Lubuntu could be a choice for me for my laptop in the future. Very nice. Thanks again.

Joan M6-Oct-20 12:34

6-Oct-20 12:34

www.robotecnik.com[^] - robots, CNC and PLC programming

C'mon Microsoft

Nelek5-Oct-20 9:04

Nelek

5-Oct-20 9:04

I wanted to create a new email account for my father because he would like to close the one of my mother (passed away some time ago) who was the one active in the e-communications...

Go to msn... create a hotmail account, fill the things, klick ok... good, I am logged into MSN. Set language to spanish, have a look here and there
I go to outlook web, enter the address, enter the password, everything looks fine... until I get an error:

There has been an error.
You are logged in as "xxxx@hotmail.com", but you have to connect the outlook account of your work... Click [here] to log off and [here] to reload the site and blah blah blah.

Exception - blah.blah.blah.MailBoxNotExistant

Ok... wait a bit (2 hours later) try to log again... the same. D'Oh! | :doh:

Ok... maybe I did it wrong and had to create the account in the outlook web instead of in the msn main site... try it again. Address is already used.

Ok... maybe if I log into the msn and then try to get to the email once logged in... same error than 2,5 hours ago Mad | :mad:

Check settings (by the way, spanish language set before is gone), need a secondary email to continue. OK. I give mine... get a 4 digit code, introduce it, get another pop up asking me to fill the address of the partner email (again), then ask for a 6 digit code sent there... one after another D'Oh! | :doh:

Well (slowly losing my patience), try it again.... same error than before.

Mark the account as "to be deleted"... Email in the other account: "Ohhhh, we are so sorry that you go... blah blah blah"

Maybe...? Reactivate again, go to postbox... same error again. Mad | :mad:

Mark to delete again.

Create a second account from the scratch and this time in the "register" of the email site... same error again.
SERIOUSLY? Are you kidding me?

M.D.V.

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Forogar 5-Oct-20 9:32

Forogar

5-Oct-20 9:32

Have you tried gmail?

- I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.

Nelek5-Oct-20 9:55

Nelek

5-Oct-20 9:55

He wanted "hotmail", if I have to use another one I will go for a german server.

M.D.V.

Forogar 5-Oct-20 9:58

Forogar

5-Oct-20 9:58

...but using Hotmail is as obsolete as using Aol!

Note: - I still use an Hotmail address. Wink | ;-)

- I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.

Nelek5-Oct-20 10:02

Nelek

5-Oct-20 10:02

I still use hotmail too... but it looks like they don't want to allow anyone more... D'Oh! | :doh:

M.D.V.

theoldfool5-Oct-20 10:20

theoldfool

5-Oct-20 10:20

Well, the big kids now use outlook.com!!! Laugh | :laugh:

If you can keep your head while those about you are losing theirs, perhaps you don't understand the situation.