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NewsPredicted 'information catastrophe' may be caused by fifth state of matter Pin
Kent Sharkey12-Aug-20 11:31
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Daniel Pfeffer wrote:
The entropy of an undetermined bit is higher than that of a bit with a known value
Entropy yes, mass no. Entropy has no relation to mass.

Daniel Pfeffer wrote:
It takes energy to lower entropy in part of a system (while increasing it elsewhere, so the total entropy of the system is non-decreasing), e.g. in an air-conditioner. In this sense, the act of data storage requires energy.
That's not data storage; it is a change of state, yes, but not information you're storing. The state of a mass, including its sub-nuclear properties, is data, yes; but not information. The fact that information requires energy to store, doesn't make information/data to have mass nor energy.

That's why I mentioned that all subnuclear particles weight and direction is "data"; doesn't matter what their weight is, nor what they are accelerated to; doesn't change the amount of data. That's not information though, and ordering it to our likes changes state that costs energy, yes; but that is not a cost of information storage, just a cost of changing state.

Daniel Pfeffer wrote:
It is possible to use the temperature differential between a cool room and the hot outside to generate energy
Again, doing as if a change of state and a change in data equals a change in information. It doesn't. You may generate energy (which would cost something else), but that says nothing about the weight of information.

Let me explain it different; information is merely human perception, all else is data. Information itself doesn't have mass, and you can't increase the weight of wood by writing on it (apart from the weight of the ink).
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