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How, precisely, are you going to teach robotics without mathematics, physics, computer science, and many other subjects as prerequisites?
The above subjects are necessary even if you do no more than assemble Lego robots (great fun, but I wouldn't want one on an assembly line for cars, for example). Designing and building robots from scratch requires much more.
There is an organization with branches in many countries, First, which runs robotics programs:
- FLLjr (First Lego League jr) (primary schools) - basic building of Lego robots, basic challenges
- FLL (First Lego League) (middle schools) - more advanced building of Lego robots, more advanced challenges
- FTC (First Tech League) (high schools) - beginning building of robots (not Lego), intermediate-level challenges
- FRC (First Robotics Competition) (high schools) - advanced building of robots, advanced challenges
Each program has local, regional, national and international competitions.
The FLL teams that I have mentored reached the national competitions, but failed to reach the international level. 
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Daniel Pfeffer wrote: How, precisely, are you going to teach robotics without mathematics, physics, computer science, and many other subjects as prerequisites?
Exactly my question about the current public education system! 
If you can't laugh at yourself - ask me and I will do it for you.
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DRHuff wrote: Exactly my question about the current public education system!
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Is he going to hire all the people that "graduates" in his school? 
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Exactly what I was going to post.
Let him be the first to hire some of these "graduates" for Tesla and SpaceX, and see where they end up in a few years.
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I think schools can do better.
I'm also opposed to tests with grades.
Maybe not entirely, but get this.
Over in the Netherlands I spent six years at high school, three of which my grades counted towards my final grade... For 50%...
The other 50% is completely based on a single test (for each subject) on a single day!
Take English, I don't think anyone here doubts my English skills, and after six years my average was a 9 (out of 10).
For some reason I completely blew the final exam and got my average down to a 7! 
I had kind of the opposite for math, which I got from a 6 to a 7 though 
At my final German test I fell asleep and somehow scored an 8.8 which counted 3x towards my final grade, just got me a passing grade 
It's like the past six years hardly even counted, makes no sense at all.
And then, after eight years of primary school, six years of high school and four years of university, I can't even fill out my own tax forms
Maybe schools should teach at least some practical skills for everyday adult life.
And one thing schools could absolutely do better, is show where and when you might need certain skills.
English is clear, Dutch is clear-ish (I mean, I already know Dutch, why am I being taught Dutch as a Dutchman!?), but I'm NEVER going to need math, right?
The curriculum isn't going to matter much though, with the current teacher shortage, which is only getting worse, we won't have schools at all in a few years 
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Upvoted ... Sander Rossel wrote: At my final German test I fell asleep and somehow scored an 8.8
I knew you had special powers !
«One day it will have to be officially admitted that what we have christened reality is an even greater illusion than the world of dreams.» Salvador Dali
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I still don't know how I pulled it off.
It was a listening test, so we listened to a CD and had to fill out the answers.
When I woke up I was like six questions behind and just ticked some random boxes
At least it was multiple choice so I guess lady luck smiled favorably on me that day 
I also remember my oral exam.
The teacher asked me something about my Urlaub and I told him I went to a Knochenkirche[^]
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Sander Rossel wrote: Maybe schools should teach at least some practical skills for everyday adult life.
They did: they were all outdated in a year or two.
Granted, italian bureaucracy spins faster than a helicopter blade, but still...
All the bank and postal forms I learnt to compile no longer exist. Tax forms changed a dozen times in 20 years. Tax legislation changes once or twice a year...
GCS d--(d+) s-/++ a C++++ U+++ P- L+@ E-- W++ N+ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t+ 5? X R+++ tv-- b+(+++) DI+++ D++ G e++ h--- r+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X
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den2k88 wrote: Tax forms changed a dozen times in 20 years.
In Israel, the basic tax form (for employees who have no other income, and only limited types of investments) hasn't changed much in all the time I've been employed (~40 years).
Granted, the full form (for self-employed and/or those who have significant investments) has undergone major changes. However, most of the people who are required to fill it out already have an accountant who'll do it for them.
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"Granted, italian bureaucracy spins faster than a helicopter blade". No, I think JavaScript changes faster.
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"And then, after eight years of primary school, six years of high school and four years of university, I can't even fill out my own tax forms". Don't feel bad. When I was finishing college, there weren't many students who could balance a checkbook. Good thing they weren't in business.
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Ask them at SpaceX how high Elon is. Among some of us, he's a running joke.
And before you mention it, no. Since I don't run even in case of fire.
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Eddy Vluggen wrote: Ask them at SpaceX how high Elon is.
It depends on how good the grass is and how much he smoked
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Eddy Vluggen wrote: but seriously, this won't work for most of the kids, and he's not going to take responsibility for any failures.
I know... that's exactly the reason of both messages of mine in this thread, a bit of joking but saying the same as you.
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Eddy Vluggen wrote: .. this won't work for most of the kids, and he's not going to take responsibility for any failures
So.. then.. just like normal public school in the US.
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This is no better than what the current set of politicians are doing. They continually gut the school budget. With this in mind and if Elon has his way, why even have school, other that a convenient baby/child sitting service for the parents.
Its too bad, because when the education level is low for the people, the country's people become more dependent on social services than on their own strength.
We should strengthen education and put more money into public education to preserve our future. We need more tax paying citizens so that we old geezers can get our social security. We supported our parent's generation, those young ones can support us.
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I was looking for a reason why application that is working fine most of the time all of a sudden showing this odd timeout errors and discovered that people are actually getting on to the production SQL Server box and building SSRS and Power BI reports. PowerBI is the main culprit chewing up all the CPU ( hitting 100% ) and very large amount of memory. Only reason they don't want to do dev work somewhere else is they don't want to spend money for new server or upgrade current one with more resource. It is speced for SQL server and not for development. They are happy to pay for support while we investigate and re run same steps as application from backend but don't want to spend on upgrade.
I am worried some day someone will kill that box...
Zen and the art of software maintenance : rm -rf *
Maths is like love : a simple idea but it can get complicated.
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Sounds to me like the access and permissions to that production server need to be restricted to read only access and a new instance spun up for the devs.
Although even that is being generous, if you restore production instance to the dev instance each night the devs should never need to go anywhere near the production server.
Given your current setup, it's a given that someone is going to commit some change to production that will require a full restore.
It's just a case of when.
“That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.”
― Christopher Hitchens
modified 3-Aug-20 9:51am.
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GuyThiebaut wrote: if you restore production instance to the dev instance each night the devs should never need to go anywhere near the production server.
That's a nice theory. The problem with the backup/restore idea is that you can't say "just backup the tables". You get the entire database, and that will overwrite views, functions, and stored procs that the devs may be working on. And that's assuming they're not working on tables (adding/removing columns, keys, and/or constraints).
The only recourse is to be able to re-sync the code from a database source project after a restore happens, but that also has dangers because devs are forced to check-in code that possibly doesn't work, unless there's a "work" database on the server where transient procs are developed and then moved to the actual database project when they are finished.
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Unfortunately it's not just a theory it's a reality of how I and all the other devs I work with develop.
In terms of losing work it just means that we have to be very organised to save our work outside of the database in the form of scripts.
We also have local databases which persist and are very cut-down versions with regards to data that we can work on but much of the time the data in the local databases is not sufficient for proper testing.
“That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.”
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Their rational for not doing it is because there is some government agency data in that application and putting that on a different server means getting few approvals from suits. I still think its worth the pain to get approval once but company thinks otherwise and gave dev direct access to that server.
Zen and the art of software maintenance : rm -rf *
Maths is like love : a simple idea but it can get complicated.
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So they are more concerned with the effort involved in getting approval than with the security risks of devs having access to live data ?
“That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.”
― Christopher Hitchens
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virang_21 wrote: I am worried some day someone will kill that box...
Raspberry Pi's can host SQL Server these days. Under $75, per user, each getting their own dedicated server.
I could help, but need to be on location for that.
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