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I got nothin'.
Best vague guess is BROADCASTS, being an anagram of ACT, BOSS, and RAD - but I can't make "RAD" fit "encoder", or "BROADCASTS" fit "unfortunate" ...
But at least you know we are trying! 
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Nope
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You know  - you are up tomorrow
"We can't stop here - this is bat country" - Hunter S Thompson - RIP
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As a New normal, right now in Germany, when you dine in, you need to give your name, address and Phone number in the restaurants.
I visited couple during weekends and yesterday and mostly they have ask Customers to fill in themselves in a log sheet.
With so much noise about privacy issue , It was surprising that all personal details are available for all other customers to see!!! I just saw my colleague visited the same restaurant 2 hours ago.
Here Privacy is not an issue because
1. Its not being tracked by govt all the time ?
2. Its not because we chose to dine in and so we give consent implicitly.
cheers,
Super
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This is definitely a concern I have about our new contact tracing in the UK, what's to stop this information from being sold on then used to target individuals for future advertising, or just sharing this information and the consequence of sharing such private medical data?
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I have to laugh at this, Oz has an app from Singapore purportedly to trace infections blooms. We go to walk the dog at the beach, down to the dog park and to the shopping centre, and we leave the bloody phones at home!
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GuyThiebaut wrote: the consequence of sharing such private medical data
I have my (strong) doubts that this tracking (especially that based on apps using Bluetooth signal strength to estimate the distance between persons) will contribute much to stop the pandemic.
BUT: The information collected, regardless of method used, is your location - nothing more. Is that "private medical data"?
The fact that I am present at the office, or at the grocery store, or at a movie theater is not "private", confidential information. I can't keep it secret from those who see me there.
So, while I strongly dislike that someone continously logs my whereabouts, it is neither "private" nor "medical" information.
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Yes, as soon as the app identifies you as being at risk due to being in the vicinity of someone identified with Covid-19 that becomes medical information about you.
Also if data is shared about individuals who have Covid-19 that again becomes medical information being shared.
If the information stored is tracking information, then it will be possible to match that data to a set of individuals or a particular individual - as the tracking will continue to the front door of a house and workplace which will be enough information to identify an individual.
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GDPR fail 
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How does thei treatment of your data pertain to their ability to offer their service?
Have they given you the GDPR informative?
Did you sign the GDPR agreement for your data treatment with a clearly stated controller or processor, finality of use of data and lenght of time data are stored?
Do they have in place adequate measures to restrict the access of data from not authorized people?
They are violating the hell out of the GDPR.
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den2k88 wrote: How does thei treatment of your data pertain to their ability to offer their service?
It is part of the rules for re-opening coming from above...
They have to get the data to help in possible tracking of infection chains.
Not really their fault / will.
den2k88 wrote: Have they given you the GDPR informative?
Did you sign the GDPR agreement for your data treatment with a clearly stated controller or processor, finality of use of data and lenght of time data are stored?
Do they have in place adequate measures to restrict the access of data from not authorized people?
Of course not.
den2k88 wrote: They are violating the hell out of the GDPR.
Yes, because they are doing it the comfortable way. Instead of thinking a bit.
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Nelek wrote: It is part of the rules for re-opening coming from above...
So they don't need an explicit signature for data treatment (health and public health are exempt) but all the other points stand and could spell bankruptcy for any activity like that. Especially at the hands of competitors.
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den2k88 wrote: but all the other points stand and could spell bankruptcy for any activity like that. Especially at the hands of competitors.
Yes, you are right.
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It is really fun how people bitched about GDPR. Until their data is concerned. Typical human ...
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den2k88 wrote: How does thei treatment of your data pertain to their ability to offer their service?
Its Just for tracking the chain. If someone who visited was infected, thy need to know who else was their in the premise during that time.
This is Ok but the execution is terrible.
cheers,
Super
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In many countries, hotels were (are?) required to keep registers of guests. These were reported regularly to the police (and, in detective stories, were left around for the hero/villain to read...). The restaurant equivalent is no less intrusive.
I believe that a restaurant employee (rather than the patron) should be the one to fill in the details, precisely in order to avoid the situation that you describe. The fact that the government is not directly involved is irrelevant; it is still a breach of privacy. What would your reaction have been if you saw your best friend's name there, along with the name of a woman who is not his wife?
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Daniel Pfeffer wrote: In many countries, hotels were (are?) required to keep registers of guests
Yes, that's right.
But in all my years travelling I have not seen any book open to all the public.
I have seen how they copied / scanned my passport and I had to fill some formularies, but it was always saved in a non public place.
Of course, if they get hacked or there is a burglar / spy or whatever... they will get my data too. But at least not every single person going through the lobby.
And that's the problem in the german business right now. The books are there at the entrance, so everyone going by can do a picture of the page and have all the personal data of previous customers.
Daniel Pfeffer wrote: The fact that the government is not directly involved is irrelevant;
They are involved... they have forced the rule to the gastronomy and small service business (hair dresser or similars) where the customer stays for a certain amount of time.
The big problem is it is really bad ruled (as most of the time).
They just say... keep track.
And the restaurants are more than happy to be allowed to re-open again and do it in the most comfortable way, without thinking in the implications
The "law" / rule should be much, much more specific. To avoid this situations.
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I have visited many hotels where you fill in the guest book yourself. If the first blank line is far down on the page, you don't even have to turn the page to see the information of the 20-30 (or more) guests signing in before you.
In Norway, each town council may restrict all sale of alcoholic drinks, like beer. One common such restriction is (was?) that you may buy beer as long as your name, address and time of purchase is logged by the seller and securely stored for ten years. This is so much hassle that most grocery stores will do it only for a crate at a time. So instead of buying yourself two cans of beer, you buy twentyfour. ... This was common in the Bible Belt (the south coast) at least into the late 1980s. Most towns realize that business loose a lot of money with such restrictions, and it really doesn't keep beer drinking down anyway. So today, the sale of beer has been liberated in most places.
(One journalist made a story on checking whether there logs of beer buying was ever accessed by the police, but couldn't find a single case in all of modern history. So the logging was all wasted effort.)
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Same in hairdresser and other places.
I wouldn't have a problem to give my data for possible infection chains tracking (the official reason).
But it is being done really wrong.
Just place the "contact book" in a safe area where only the staff can access it, let the customer write the data in a piece of paper and copy the info in the book.
The positive side of it: You can write what you want, you don't have to identify yourself with you IDcard.
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Nelek wrote: I wouldn't have a problem to give my data for possible infection chains tracking (the official reason).
Me too, and I am happy to oblige but having that "Log book" to be publicly available for anyone is kind of weird and wrong.
Nelek wrote: The positive side of it: You can write what you want, you don't have to identify yourself with you IDcard
I saw couple of entries with name M Mustermann and phone number. I bet phone number was correct though
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super wrote: having that "Log book" to be publicly available for anyone is kind of weird and wrong.
That's exactly my point. That should be not there. I don't even expect that only the manager or restaurant owner handles the book, but at least keep it in the office, bring it when a customer comes in, staff write the data of the customer and take it back to the office.
That would be much better and way more compliant than now.
super wrote: I saw couple of entries with name M Mustermann and phone number. I bet phone number was correct though
I would do it too. I do want them to call me if there are problems and if it happens, then I will give my real data to help the officers to follow the chain, but in the log book... it brings nothing.
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I think this whole handling of COVID-19 by the government breaks a few more rules than GDPR 
When they break into your home and fine you (in an already difficult time) AND GIVE YOU A CRIMINAL RECORD because you have guests they're crossing a few lines.
I guess "giving out personal details to everyone who asks for it" is just another emergency ordinance that just adds insult to injury.
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Sander Rossel wrote: I guess "giving out personal details to everyone who asks for it" is just another emergency ordinance that just adds insult to injury.
That's wrong.
The correct formulation should be:
"Forcing everyone to ask for your personal data."
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super wrote: Here Privacy is not an issue because
1. Its not being tracked by govt all the time ?
Be afraid, be very afraid.
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