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Marc Clifton wrote: Who has enough resources to survive 3 weeks in home
In the West? Almost nobody.
In the East? Almost everybody.
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OriginalGriff wrote: If you live in a city in India
We care as much as we did in the last ten years 
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OriginalGriff wrote: nobody allowed to leave home for any reason
Almost. Supermarkets, grocery stores and pharmacies will be open, so I expect residents will be able to venture out (sparingly) only to obtain food and meds.
/ravi
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Ravi Bhavnani wrote: Supermarkets
Not sure about that. There were reports that air-conditioned supermarkets will not be allowed to function. Those with natural air circulation will be allowed, I heard.
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And apparently home delivery of food is permitted, according to a friend in Bombay.
Edit:
Confirmed by examining the official government declaration.
/ravi
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So, although "everyone" is confined to home, "everyone" can go to the shops; plus shopworkers, delivery drivers can travel to their place of work; and presumably (?) healthcare workers can travel to/from work; as can electricity, water, sewage workers... a total lockdown on everybody just doesn't exist in a modern society. A similar situation in the UK; people still allowed to go to the shops, to travel for medical treatment, to work in "key" sectors, (plus allowed a daily outing for exercise purposes). The streets are quiet for sure, but some residential roads are actually busier than normal, as people walk/run the streets instead of driving to the gym or getting exercise through their work.
As for "stocking up"; in our household tinned / dried foods are an "extra". We tend to eat meals consisting of some meat/fish and plenty of fresh veg. We drink fresh milk and use it on/in cereals. We snack on fresh (seasonal) fruit. We do bake our own bread and perhaps should have had more flour "in stock" than we did. (The "panic" buying I did was to buy some additional seeds for veg later in the year, but we have the luxury of a garden large enough to grow veg that arguably could support us through later summer and autumn; just as well as the garden centres are now closed). We have some frozen stuff of course, and an inventory of everything shows that, apart from fresh milk, we probably don't really need to shop for 3 weeks. But by then our stocks will be near-zero and we'll be dependent on the shops having stuff to sell, which is far from certain. Exiting this strategy of "lockdown" is going to be the biggest challenge yet 
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I feel this is a required step, to preempt a situation as in Northern Italy.
A huge experiment, hoping and praying that this experiment succeeds.
From an "Notification", which was widely circulated on WhatsApp yesterday, grocery and medicine shops will be open. So, looks like no need for stocking up, even though there was a big rush in the vegetable shop nearby yesterday night.
Today, in many states, including mine (Karnataka), it is New Year's Day. Beginning of Chaitra month, the first month of our calendar. However, this will be low key; no shopping, not much celebrations.
modified 24-Mar-20 21:19pm.
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A commentary in Norwegian radio today pointed out how important close ties to friends and family are in Italy - much more than in some other cultures. They embrace, they hug, kiss and touch each other far more that e.g. up here in Scandinavia, where "closeness" is expressed by shaking hands. When a family member is dying, it is a really hard strain on the relatives if they are not allowed to touch their relative at all, much more so than it would be in some other cultures. When something essential happens, birth, death or inbetween, involving relatives, friends and neighbours in the celebration or mourning is an important part of their culture and social life. It isn't that surprising that the virus spread so fast in Italy.
India is enormously large with a lot of subcultures, so we should avoid generalizing remarks. Yet my impression (mostly through Indian coworkers) is that within the family - and probably the extended family as well - physical closeness is far more common than up here in the north. I know neither Italian nor Indian cultures well enough to compare them, but I fear that they might belong at the same halft of the scale. At least some Indian subcultures, not necessarily all.
That radio commenter raised similar worries about other societies as well. In very individualistic societies where citizens detest being commanded by authorities, and where gatherings of crowds is rather common, we await the development. Believing that the epidemic will die out before Easter under those conditions is probably naive. We could just as well see an explosion.
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I live in New Delhi, 21 days lock-down became necessary as educating people and requesting self isolation wasn't working as people got out to the streets anyway. And that too in some kind of festive spirit (?).
OriginalGriff wrote: 21 days, nobody allowed to leave home for any reason.
Essentials remain open for business and available. Only one person from a household is allowed for that too.
Implementing this would be a challenge. But we are facing a bigger challenge already.
OriginalGriff wrote: a lot of breaches, or a heck of a lot of deaths in the next 3 weeks
I hope none of that happens. Police is allowed to use force if necessary to keep people out of the streets.
And the virus hasn't community spread yet. So fingers crossed.
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China and Korea have clearly shown (even to the stupidest and blindest who couldn't see the obvious if it were painted on a ten-foot poster, five feet from their faces) that the only way to handle coronavirus is with a huge amount of testing and near-total lockdown.
So it's unfortunate, yes, and there will be horror stories, but there genuinely is a greater good here (hint: it ain't the %$@#&^* stock market!)
There will be several more "Italies", yet, particularly in countries with alt-right denialist or "money is more important than lives" leaders (or both).
On total lockdown, India will struggle for a short while, then heal. Other countries are unlikely do as well.
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Crude, but (presumably) effective.
In most Western countries, it would also expose the officers to charges of assault.
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows.
-- 6079 Smith W.
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Even worse that our lockdown. I feel the pain of Indian people.
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Further down in the article:
Quote: The Home Ministry issued a statement after Mr. Modi spoke saying that food shops, banks, gas stations and some other essential services would be exempt from the lockdown.
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Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it.
Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.
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Let's see if the number of calls I get in a week for "Windows" goes up or down...
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The volume of spam in S&A has dropped already ...
"I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony
AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!
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I could post some if you're getting bored.
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Oh you're going through a world pandemic?
No problem...here are 3 exams, 2 projects, and a lab report all due this week plus you have to teach everything to yourself. goodbye 
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Welcome to your first experience of the environment outside schooling: real world working! 
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You're lucky! IT has the best online resource! 
But still.. good luck!
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I took over education from my last "professor".
Don't waste money on them.
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"If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
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At my university ... we are talking about the late 70s, and this happened a couple of years before I entered ... at the first lecture in the course on discrete simulation harked before he explained that this course was supposed to be based on the Simula language, but he really didn't know that language very well.
So one of the students raised his hand, "I have been working in Simula for quite some time, so I could take care of that!" So it went. The student taught all the language specific details and the professor took care of the general principles of discrete simulation.
I guess the professor picked up a lot from the student. When he was teaching my class, he hadled Simula well.
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Eddy Vluggen wrote: Don't waste money on them.
Already paid a huge amount 
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Did you get the new job? When do you start? Working remotely (for now), I assume?
/ravi
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Ravi Bhavnani wrote: Did you get the new job?
The second interview went fine as well. For now, I have to submit a technical assessment but I'm positive I will get this job. 
P.S. although I'm now having my doubts if I'll be able to manage it with my studies and research. 
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