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Seems that some people got stuck in the past with WebForms..
I have been working with ASP.NET Core from day 1. Had to upgrade my projects from ASP.NET MVC 5 to ASP.NET Core 1.0, 1.0 to 2.0, 2.0 to 3.1 and whatever in between, if there were any breaking changes you simply made updates according the documentation or folks who constantly blog about .NET Core.
I only work on .NET Core projects now.
I have no other single complain about ASP.NET Core. Obviously if you don't need to support any outdated technologies then .NET Core is a good choice.
People always complain if they don't know how to do the things and then they are comparing how it was before.
At this time, I would never start project on ASP.NET WebForms or ASP.NET MVC 5. I wouldn't want to work with this outdated technologies, please don't let me work on these projects but I am happy to upgrade anything from these to ASP.NET Core.
Once you start digging properly in ASP.NET Core then you would see the advantages and possibilities as mentioned by @"Davyd McColl".
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Blazor. Period. It uses ASP.NET Core, and no JavaScript code need be written.
Blazor server-side (if latency is not an issue, such as users on the other side of the world), or (coming in May, and available in preview now), Blazor client-side. Client-side uses the webassembly engine, not the JavaScript engine, in the browser. You can change your Blazor application from server-side to client-side with a one line change.
For new projects, or adding new pages to an existing ASP.NET Core web app, I will choose Blazor.
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The long and short of it is that it depends on your environment. We use WCF services - a lot. Our current code base is ASP.Net web forms, and is way to javascript-dependant for my personal tastes. Add to that the fact that they want to move to TDD, and...
I recently took on the task of creating a project template for new web apps, and had a choice between going with MVC5/DoNet Framework, or using DotNet Core. I was FORCED into MVC5 because of the WCF stuff. We actively avoid using Entity Framework (or any other ORM you might care to mention) because ALL of our database interaction is done with stored procs, and to be quite blunt, EF doesn't really care for that approach, not to mention its propensity for screwing up entities when something changes. Add to that the web server hosting the apps requires some significant configuration changes that, quite frankly, are probably beyond the abilities of our web admins.
I really don't know how all of this is going to work out, because we're migrating EVERYTHING to the cloud.
It's going to be a freakin mess...
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013
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You mention "no orm", and the troubles with EF (I understand -- it's an 80% fit, meaning it fits well about 80% of the time). We also perform our database queries at the sql level (few procs, mostly statements, but the same idea) -- if you haven't already, check out Dapper, which will let you take a step back from pure ADO without losing the lower-level control.
If you say that getting the money is the most important thing
You will spend your life completely wasting your time
You will be doing things you don't like doing
In order to go on living
That is, to go on doing things you don't like doing
Which is stupid.
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Our ADO stuff is almost as generic as EF. I'd like to completely get rid of EF but haven't found a decent guide that describes how to do it.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013
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Ok, I have a guide:
- Uninstall the EF nuget packages
- Fix compilation errors, getting all your tests to pass again.
Of course, if you're not into having an automated suite of tests for your code, you're probably going to find this more difficult than it has to be.
If you say that getting the money is the most important thing
You will spend your life completely wasting your time
You will be doing things you don't like doing
In order to go on living
That is, to go on doing things you don't like doing
Which is stupid.
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There is nothing of value in EF if it requires me to use the rest of EF.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013
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I like the way core does model binding better, but deploying changes is much easier with MVC 5. With core, I had to stop the IIS application pool, then deploy then start it again.
Also MVC 5 allows you to change the .cshtml on the server if there is an urgent change, and you don't want to boot everyone off the site for a minute or so.
All things considered though, I'd still say core.
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If you are mugged by a rabbit, it it just a bad hare day?
"I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony
AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!
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If you are mugged by a donkey, will he own your ass?
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows.
-- 6079 Smith W.
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[must be too tired to think, but] this came to mind: Monty Python The Holy Grail - The killer bunny - YouTube[^]
after many otherwise intelligent sounding suggestions that achieved nothing the nice folks at Technet said the only solution was to low level format my hard disk then reinstall my signature. Sadly, this still didn't fix the issue!
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I think I need to silly walk away from this thread.
“The palest ink is better than the best memory.” - Chinese Proverb
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That's a pretty bunny posting - a rabbit of humor.
Ears to you, lad !!
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No, it means you need to get one of these[^].
I've got two, and no rabbits.
Software Zen: delete this;
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If you get mugged by a giraffe, go for the throat.
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That's a bit of a stretch!
If you can't laugh at yourself - ask me and I will do it for you.
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A snail gets accosted by a tortoise and when someone asked her what happened she replied; "the whole thing happened so fast I didn't have a chance to see anything".
Monday starts Diarrhea awareness week, runs until Friday!
JaxCoder.com
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Not if it were a Rabbit Barber and it shaved ya bald.
The best way to improve Windows is run it on a Mac.
The best way to bring a Mac to its knees is to run Windows on it.
~ my brother Jeff
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well we all know reviews are not worth wasting the pixels they are displayed on,
and sometimes it's good to seek serious expert opinions,
but when genuine experts are in short supply why not ask them clow folks in the lounge?
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we all know chrome is a CPU hog (this is where the folks with 8th+ generation CPU's claim otherwise)
- has anybody found (tried? tested??) if the new edge (the chrome versions with ms cool aide) same / better / worse?
after many otherwise intelligent sounding suggestions that achieved nothing the nice folks at Technet said the only solution was to low level format my hard disk then reinstall my signature. Sadly, this still didn't fix the issue!
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I have both installed on a system (not the one I'm currently writing this on). I just launched both side-by-side, without loading any page (both are essentially showing about:blank).
Task Manager shows 8 instances of chrome.exe were launched (ugh!) vs msedge.exe's 7. Initially Chrome had 10, but after a few seconds that dropped down.
Given this, how do you even propose to come up with representative figures for a decent benchmark? FWIW, Task Manager's Process tab shows Chrome eating up 205MB of RAM, and Edge is at 110 (and as I'm writing this, I've just watched those figures drop to 180 and 78, respectively).
I don't know if anything meaningful can be extracted out of this.
Between that, the 12 instances of RuntimeBroker.exe and what must be 70+ instances of svchost.exe Task Manager is currently showing on this Windows 10 machine...is it any wonder that a system with 4GB of RAM is constantly paging nowadays? This particular system--an Intel NUC--has 16 and is snappy and responsive, but I know plenty of people who are still using systems with 4GB or even less.
I realize I haven't answered your question in the least. I'm just relaying what I'm looking at right now and shaking my head. "Throw more RAM at it" needs to stop being the solution to everything.
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dandy72 wrote: I don't know if anything meaningful can be extracted out of this.
Really not. The way windows works now, they might as well use random program names and numbers, for all the good Task Manager does you when you're trying to diagnose problems.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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lopatir wrote: we all know chrome is a CPU hog
I certainly didn't. I have been using Chrome for years and have never had occasion to kill it owing to excessive CPU usage. I run on an I5 (not sure which generation) processor, if that has any bearing. Oh, and by the way, I rarely have fewer than 5 tabs open together.
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Brave is quite good and it comes with an integrated AdBlock that fools many detectors. Otherwise I just use good ol' Firefox.
GCS d--(d+) s-/++ a C++++ U+++ P- L+@ E-- W++ N+ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t+ 5? X R+++ tv-- b+(+++) DI+++ D++ G e++ h--- r+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X
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... is that COVID-19 looks like a JIRA ticket.
Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, weighing all things in the balance of reason?
Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful?
--Zachris Topelius
Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies.
-- Sarah Hoyt
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Now we know your project code. Hehe
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