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What would worry me is if it's more costly than I'd expect. I'd go in expecting to be expensive, so "more than expected" would be nasty-nasty.
TTFN - Kent
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The number one rule of sales?: There is no cost a salesman wouldn't like to increase for their customers. (I am getting jaded.)
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David O'Neil wrote: If you didn't see that coming, I've got some really good investments for you!
It's way cheaper and easier for us. We have everything on the cloud. 
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The article clearly and repeatedly states that the problems are all due to customers, and it's on the Internet, so it must be true.
Obviously, the customers who have suffered problems should have hired Capita to take care of their migration and implementation processes.
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Well, what did they expect in terms of cost? Thery didn't want to pay for the cost of maintaining hardware and people to maintain it, but they're willing to pay someone else to do it - who, in turn, has to pay for those things. On top of that, the company they pay for that then have to make a profit. BAM! Higher costs.
The DoD is moving to the cloud right now, and preparation has been a big time suck. They pulled people off other (more important) projects who have no business doing this crap, and stuff doesn't get done. We have THREE PEOPLE for our already short-handed group dedicated to moving to the cloud. Even worse, we have to do dev work ON THE CLOUD. This requires us to VPN into a jump box, RDP from the jump box into an intermediate box, and THEN RDP from the intermediate box into our dev environment.
There is NO BENEFIT for us to move to the cloud, in terms of infrastuicture, cost, or process. It's all bullshit.
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#realJSOP wrote: It's all bullshit.
For you guys. For us, the cloud is great and saves us a ton.
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Size matters.
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I wonder who makes these estimations and decisions.
Probably managers who just heard a buzzword, name a price that's high enough to be believable, but low enough to fit in the budget and then management tells some IT people to "move to the cloud".
For example, moving workstations to the cloud is a bad idea.
A powerful enough cloud VM costs a couple of $100's a month.
A equally powerful laptop costs a couple of $1000's once.
The laptop is cheaper after about a year or two, but it'll probably last about five years.
Bad case for the cloud.
On the other hand, I have a small customer with no IT whatsoever.
They literally did everything on paper and then had a computer for some Excel stuff.
I made them a small web application, hosted it in Azure, with an Azure SQL database, Azure AD integration and a Key Vault for security.
Costs them about €50 a month.
Perhaps buying a server and hosting it there would've been cheaper in the long run for the hardware alone, but that's excluding initial setup, licences, updates and maintenance.
Good case for the cloud.
Things are different when you already have software and hardware.
Not everything is "cloud ready" and just replacing a server with a VM is expensive.
Re-architecting software is time consuming and expensive.
All in all, you know it's going to be expensive in a lot of cases.
Now multiply that by three because we're really bad at estimating and you'll have an indication of the actual costs.
I don't think that will ever outweigh the benefits.
Perhaps when you're thinking of a complete or partial rewrite because you have to anyway (for example, to decouple a part of an application as (micro)service), cloud makes a lot more sense.
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Cloud works great for us. We have nearly everything on the cloud. I'm not saying it will work in all instances but in many cases it is much better.
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If I'm not being too nosy - what are your monthly bills like (and what kind of workloads)?
TTFN - Kent
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Kent Sharkey wrote: (and what kind of workloads)?
Not vms, but we are a small development shop. We each have a laptop but everything else runs in the cloud, including all production processes and sites. Azure Sql, azure web site with webjobs, azure storage. It's defintely cheaper than having physical servers. I think the big cost people overlook in replacing physical servers with cloud services is the human cost. With physical servers you have to pay someone to keep it updated, to replace hardware, etc. For us, the time savings adds up more than the initial purchase cost.
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It's good to know some people (that don't work on the Azure team) have good experiences with it - thank you!
TTFN - Kent
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Microsoft is heading for a single UI framework for everything from web apps to native desktop and mobile apps. Pants available separately
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I thought they already tried it with windows 8 and that it was a fvcking fiasco... we say that we are the most intelligent being in the world, but a donkey doesn't strumble twice with the same stone.  
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This should be given careful consideration by every developer, because of how much microsoft's standards have soared, over the last 13 years.
Oops! Typo, sorry.
I meant "soured".
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Masterful! Stupendous! I laughed, I cried!
TTFN - Kent
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Kent Sharkey wrote: I laughed, I cried!
Well, we've all laughed at "Year of the Linux Desktop" jokes, and cried because microsoft's making it happen.
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On the other hand, you have to consider all the technologies MS walked away from leaving developers high and dry: COM/OLE, VB6, XAML, Windows Mobile, UWP, ...
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gstolarov wrote: On the other hand, you have to consider all the technologies MS walked away from leaving developers high and dry: COM/OLE, VB6, XAML, Windows Mobile, UWP, ...
They're very good about it, though.
They give everyone long enough to get so far into it that almost everything they do revolves around it, before they kill something off.
At least google kills stuff before you've even heard of it.
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The moon you know and love might not be alone. There’s a possibility a new miniature version is orbiting Earth now as well. That's no... oh, wait. Yes, it is. (for a while)
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The astronauts being sent up have been told to trust The Force
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His code, ↑ ↑ ↓ ↓ ← → ← → B, A, Start, has lived on for over three decades and continues to be a comical Easter egg in many games today. I shall wrap my controller in black ribbon while I mash buttons
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Kent Sharkey wrote: His code, ↑ ↑ ↓ ↓ ← → ← → B, A, Start
Double bubble permanent buff?
R.I.P. ![Rose | [Rose]](https://codeproject.global.ssl.fastly.net/script/Forums/Images/rose.gif)
M.D.V. 
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I hear he had quite an eventful life.
Please tell me that I don't have to actually type the punchline to that.
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Just don't try it on your CodeProject profile page. 
"These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined."
- Homer
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