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Considering a new line is two-characters long on Windows (CrLf):
* -5 (with ) on the first line
* -4 ( }CrLf) on the first line
* -3 (}CrLf) on the last line
So 12 characters less, plus three times Foo -> -12 + 9 = -3
In the end, mine seems 3 characters shorter than yours.
But the number of characters is not really important; I do not feel the with construct makes the code clearer, just more bloated.
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Used it mostly in Visual FoxPro; and in VB.
Less code; clearer outlines; more generic possibilities.
Yep; totally useless.
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You really want 'With in C#: [^]. This hack uses reflection ... I'd never use it in production code: [^]
And, now, the "sermon:" I think it's a mistake to try and "bend" C# to fit your background in another language. At the same time, imho, most people will, in the first phase of learning, look for, expect, things/structures through mental habits conditioned by other languages. I believe (hypothesis) that programmers often have a kind of imprinting/bonding experience with the first language they learn well.
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Did you see my terse example? Do you like typing the class name in front of every member name in a code block that sets ten properties one after another?
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Did I see the code sample that would never compile [^]: yes. Did I see a reference in another post you made to something "illustrated" without explanation: yes.David A. Gray wrote: Do you like typing the class name in front of every member name in a code block that sets ten properties one after another?
I do not see how this "sucker-punch question" is relevant to anything discussed here 
Beginning with the object initializer syntax in C# (C# 3.0, .NET 3.5), initializing a bunch of whatever when a new object was created became much easier. What's your issue here ?
If you want to simulate 'With, techniques are well known, for a long time (see my post here). Now, if you have a better way, that doesn't use reflection, or the usual Extension Method: I'm all ears !
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It was a random thought, intended to generate the sort of discussion that has ensued. As a practical matter, I use object initializers, overloaded constructors, and constructors that have optional arguments almost exclusively. Unfortunately, this isn't always a workable option; thankfully, those times are rare.
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Well, it did generate discussion
And, I wouldn't mind having a 'With, or a special flavor of 'Using.
cheers, Bill
«Where is the Life we have lost in living? Where is the wisdom we have lost in knowledge? Where is the knowledge we have lost in information?» T. S. Elliot
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Quote: a special flavor of 'Using
That's what I had in mind, but I wanted to see whether anybody else had the same idea.
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imho, while using 'using seems intuitive ... compared to 'with ... the fact that 'using already plays multiple semantic roles in C# argues against it.
The word 'context comes to mind as descriptive and mnemonic in this scenario, but, I don't think Mads would go for it 
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BillWoodruff wrote: I think it's a mistake to try and "bend" C# to fit your background in anothr language.
I'd agree - and suspect that's what a lot of the recent C# changes have been driven by: VB and C++ developers which want to continue writing VB and C++ code in C# instead of learning a newer, fresher language paradigm. And maybe that's why C# is getting "bloated" and losing it's focus as a coherent language.
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OriginalGriff wrote: VB and C++ developers which want to continue writing VB and C++ code in C# instead of learning a newer, fresher language paradigm
Not to mention it will rightly piss off the other members of your team when they run across your code in the project.
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I'm still doing some programming in VB.Net.
I never use With.
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Just assign whatever you'd usually with with to a variable with a short name.
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"If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
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Many years ago, I wrote an expression evaluator for a Pascal compiler. "With" provided extra levels of complexity, which made me dislike it.
"With" in VB leads to ambiguities when nested as you can have multiple sets of 'withed' variables in the same inner block. 'with' (now deprecated) in JavaScript lead to ambiguities where you could loop the 'with' and variables in the same construct could be global in one pass and local in subsequent passes.
Used carefully, "With" can be a convenient shortcut; but it can be used badly. If you give people knives, they may whittle beautiful sculptures, but they are more likely to injure themselves or someone else.
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I got the same speak a few years ago when I would introduce LINQ into an answer because I was not catering to the lowest common denominator.
Those same people now have no issues with it. (LINQ)
"(I) am amazed to see myself here rather than there ... now rather than then".
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Quote: Used carefully, "With" can be a convenient shortcut; but it can be used badly. If you give people knives, they may whittle beautiful sculptures, but they are more likely to injure themselves or someone else.
The same can be said of almost every construct in any programming language.
I'll take my chances.
Using programming languages requires wisdom, a commodity that is, unfortunately, in very short supply.
David A. Gray
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David A. Gray wrote: Using programming languages requires wisdom, a commodity that is, unfortunately, in very short supply.
Amen !
And, to use a musical analogy: imagine you are learning to play the violin and every six months the number of strings changes ... the shape of the instrument changes ... every year there is another way to play a double-stop ... every year the shape and acoustics of concert halls and practice rooms change ...
But, one might ask: is 'wisdom' a giant reservoir of pragmatic technique and hard-won insight ... bound to specific contexts and artifacts ... or, is 'wisdom' a deep understanding of organizing principles and algorithms. Well, the debate on that has been hot since Plato and Aristotle (episteme vs, techne)
I favor what the ancient Greeks called phronesis, a "practical wisdom." Note this is sometimes translated as "prudence" because of its association with "virtue" (arete) in the Greek sources: I think that's misleading for the modern reader because of the association we have of "virtue" with morality. What arete meant for Plato and Aristotle ... imho, something very different than in the Judaeo-Christian tradition semantics of "virtue."
If only I had some ... 'wisdom'  ... perhaps I should say if only some 'wisdom' had me: "The truth is a snare: you cannot have it, without being caught. You cannot have the truth in such a way that you catch it, but only in such a way that it catches you." Soren Kierkegaard
«Where is the Life we have lost in living? Where is the wisdom we have lost in knowledge? Where is the knowledge we have lost in information?» T. S. Elliot
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I get a lot of useful information and links when I asked questions on this site.
I'm looking for an easy way to store my replies and internet links so I can refer back to them when I need to.
At the moment it's a case of copy and pasting into a text file.
Does anyone know of a useful program that makes it easy to quickly select text and store it in a text file. Maybe a program running in the background that could store the text to a certain text file or ask me what text file to add the text to.
Brian
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One simple way is to use the CP Bookmark system: at the bottom right of each message or question is a "bookmark" icon - it looks like a little ribbon - just click that and it adds it to a list. Clicking on "My Bookmarks" under the username dropdown at the top right of any page gives you tabs collections organised by type (Message, Tip, Article, ...)
Saves the hassle of copy and paste!
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Thanks Griff for the suggestion but it would might mean searching Code Project for a certain reply.
I like to keep my replies off line if possible.
Brian
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I used a wiki in the past, makes it easy to organize information. Combine that with C# Online Compiler | .NET Fiddle[^] and you can try some of the samples online.
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Sorry Eddy I got your name mixed up with Bill in my reply.
I'm mainly looking for a off-line program to collect my text.
If I knew enough about C# I'd write a program that does this.
Brian
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Hi Brian, I am curious to ask you how old you are.
«Where is the Life we have lost in living? Where is the wisdom we have lost in knowledge? Where is the knowledge we have lost in information?» T. S. Elliot
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I'm in my mid 60's Bill. Learning a new programming language does get bit more difficult when you are older. According to a recent servey 5% of people that learn a programming language are 60 or older.
I started learning to program soon after home computers were available and owned a TRS-80 that had the BASIC programming language.
I'm now interested to know why you asked my age.
Brian
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Glad to hear you are mature This body I am in is only 75; I took up programming in my forties after a career as a psychotherapist, academic, etc.
I asked because I am puzzled that you are, evidently, not using your browser's book-mark facility: that, and what I perceive as the pattern in your postings, led me to hypothesize you might be ... young. So much for my psychic powers
Every day I learn something, is a good day, and CP is a good place to ... learn something !
cheeers, Bill
«Where is the Life we have lost in living? Where is the wisdom we have lost in knowledge? Where is the knowledge we have lost in information?» T. S. Elliot
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