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This is a sort of followup to a message[^] from Paul (@OriginalGriff) about 7 months ago. He'd posted that he'd bought some 4Tb drives from Amazon at a cheap price, supposedly refurbished, but they arrived 'as new' with warranty cards.
I'm wondering what his experience has been with them so far and how it matches with mine. I'd also be interested if anyone else bought some and what they've found.
In my case, I've previously been using Seagate IronWolf 4Tb drives (model ST4000VN008) in a 6 disk ZFS array (Raidz2, i.e. 2 out of the 6 are effectively parity). The disks were all around 33000 power on hours and one had "failed" according to the SMART data. So I initially bought 2 of these drives, which turn out to be HGST Ultrastar 7K4000 drives. I replaced 2 of the Seagates, bought 2 more HGST drives, replaced 2 more Seagates, bought a final 2 and complete the rebuild of the array.
Then 1 of the HGST drives reported failure. So I sent it back to Amazon for a refund and bought 2 more, intending to keep 1 as a spare. Shortly after that, another failed, so I sent that back for a refund and used up my spare.
Just recently, another drive has reported failure. I enquired via email about the warranty and was told that the company whose name is on the warranty card only sell to the US, so my drive isn't covered as it's a resale. So sent it back to Amazon for a refund and ordered an identical replacement, only now it's double the price.
This one had a manufacturing date on it of October 2016! So I've done a bit of searching and, as far as I can work out, these drives must have been manufactured between 2012 and 2019, but I can't find a way to work out exactly when. HGST was acquired by Western Digital in 2012, but they continued to make HGST drives for a few years.
So these are actually New Old Disks (Old New Disks?) and have presumably been sitting around unused for years - hopefully in reasonable conditions for storage!
I'm beginning to think this may have been false economy and I'd have done better sticking with newer Seagate drives despite the price!
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HGSTs will run forever. Unless physically abused are the Toyota of spinner drives.
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Wow! You don't mention purchase dates or failure dates but that seems like A LOT of failures over a short-ish duration!
I have a small 2 disk Synology NAS (running with Synology Hybrid RAID - essentially mirroring) with (2) Seagate ST4000VN000 (4TB) drives. They've been running without so much as a hiccup for a decade now. 
I guess I should consider myself lucky! 
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StarNamer@work wrote: Seagate
I'm trying hard - really hard - not to be a cynic and automatically conclude that this is your problem right there.
But, of the 50+ drives I've personally owned over the last few decades, all Seagates are currently dead. Zero exception. All others (WD, HGST, some Toshiba and other brands that are lesser-known as drive makers) have been retired - as in, still work, but now so small in terms of capacity they're not worth using anymore. And I have disproportionally fewer Seagate drives than other brands (based on my experience I'd be insane to keep giving them my money).
Backblaze has been compiling drive failure reports for years now. Their reports never do anything to convince me I'm wrong.
Also - I'd never buy a refurbished drive. Ask yourself: What are the reasons anyone would ever send a hard drive back?
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Or a crackpot idea.
MSN[^]
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It's a crackpot idea, don't get sucked in.
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Stop it with link only posts. (grumpy max)
At least copy the title or the summary if there is one.
CI/CD = Continuous Impediment/Continuous Despair
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MSN[^] 18 Reasons Why Men Get Grumpier As They Age
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touché!
CI/CD = Continuous Impediment/Continuous Despair
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2 things:
(a) I see MSN still hasn't lost their habit of spreading their "[N] reasons why XYZ" type of articles over [N+M] pages (where M are just extra ad pages). So make that 19 reasons.
(b) Was there anything in there that was actually unique to men, and could not equally apply to women? Besides, aren't we're all supposed to be gender-fluid now?
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Black holes generating enormous power has been around in science fiction for a while (Arthur C. Clark - Imperial Earth (1976)). More recent in the Star Trek Universe with the Romulan D'deridex-class warbird uses an artificial quantum singularity as a power source for its warp propulsion drive.
from the Wikipedia article ( Black hole starship - Wikipedia[^])
" A black hole weighing 606,000 metric tons (6.06 × 108 kg) would have a Schwarzschild radius of 0.9 attometers (0.9 × 10–18 m, or 9 × 10–19 m), a power output of 160 petawatts (160 × 1015 W, or 1.6 × 1017 W), and a 3.5-year lifespan"
That's a lot of power from a tiny space.
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I for one praise our soon to be Robot Overlords, Couple one of those with AI you have a Terminator, please somebody who is developing them come up with an off button... We've all seen the movies! 
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"Forbin Project" here we come.
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Is it just me that finds the Spot robot to seem creepier and more threatening than the Atlas or Electric Atlas?
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