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No, seriously! I definitely write code all the time when the architecture starts to make sense! Other colleagues in the league of juniors need to do even more than me, I just got lucky due to this honorary MVP badge that I have, that I do not have to write code for the architecture that doesn't make sense to me.
Oh, and yeah, in case I reach somewhere around senior or consultant level, then I would chose any other option, than the one I did here (25% - 49% is spent coding). 
The sh*t I complain about
It's like there ain't a cloud in the sky and it's raining out - Eminem
~! Firewall !~
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Most of my programming time is spent designing, researching, debugging, removing syntax errors, etc. So, the time actually spent keying in code is a very small percentage of my work day. And I don't count Bejeweled as any part of that time.
Joan F Silverston
jsilverston@cox.net
nhswinc.com
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Agree!
That's what I wanna say too.
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Yes! And configuring/troubleshooting various test servers etc. At previous jobs I never heard of such things but now I sometimes spend a week on stuff like that.
... such stuff as dreams are made on
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For folks who spent over 90% coding, did you ever write documentation for your code? No matter how great your code was, it's still nothing without good documentation.
just my $0.02
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Documentation as in comments, I include it in coding. Documentation as in providing external files with specifications and behaviour, is the remaining 10% (because I'm good, synthetic and fast).
I have no managerial or bureaucratical tasks to accomplish nor nay kind of voice in anything: I am the epitome of the coder baboon. We don't even have source control or time diagrams or any kind of time/project/costs management tool so I don't have to check in or out from anything.
Just a free range underpaid programmer.
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den2k88 wrote: We don't even have source control
I am left speechless and bewildered. 
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I was joking: we have zip files in a shared Windows folder. Does it count?
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Now you are just acting like a mad person.
Shirley you can't be serious!?
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Alas we do work like that, with over a thousand software versions to boot. Each customer basically has its own software branch which is frankensteined from new bits&pieces to comply his own perverted needs and other software versions with different bits&pieces.
In C++ and VB6. But we also have some Assembler custom library. And some C# tool.
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den2k88 wrote: Each customer basically has its own software branch which is frankensteined from new bits&pieces
Oh sh*t, now I remember why I got out of commercial software development.
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity
RAH
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Guess what happens when software is 30-40% of the finished product, the rest is machinery designed, developed and manifactured internally with specialized hardware and homemade boards which evolved from the ancient ISA bus design? And the machinery has to be put on production lines, communicating with all the fauna of gizmos that control and manage said lines (assembled from tidbits of technology dating back to the '70s and SCADA systems developed by the one who sell the cheapest sets)? Of course even the conveyors and inverters are our responsibility.
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Ah not again, I worked for a manufacturer in the early 90s, what a nightmare that was, never again, not ever AAaaahhhhhhhh!
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity
RAH
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It doesn't matter how much you earn, you're still underpaid.
Anyway, I would install TortoiseHg[^] just for my own use.
It has a low learning threshold, Hg Init: a Mercurial tutorial by Joel Spolsky[^], and is simpler to use than GIT IMAO, and it's filebased, so it's very easy to backup.
You can still zip your projects to the shared folder, just exclude the .hg folder.
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Jörgen Andersson wrote: It doesn't matter how much you earn, you're still underpaid.
8€/hour are underpaid period.
Jörgen Andersson wrote: Anyway, I would install TortoiseHg[^] just for my own use.
I would too but Internet is not available to employees, only to a select few managers. We have some site open, like CP, MSDN and Bing (no google).
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Quote: 8€/hour are underpaid period.
Quote: Internet is not available to employees
Mail or usb-stick?
It's 24 MB, not very big with todays standards.
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Seriously though, what's keeping you?
There has to be alternatives.
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Yeah sure:
* 10 €/hour with just 3-4 business trips per year... 2 months each at 5000 km frm home.
* 11 €/hour if that month the company has been paid. If.
* 9 €/hour travelling round and round and round.
The only people well paid are those who started working 20 years ago and managed to grab all the possible benefits for themselves. Going solo? 70% of my income would go in taxes, more if I don't meet the minimum yearly income for the professional category (yes, taxed on max(MINIMUM_POSSIBLE, real_income)) with no real protection from unpaying customers.
I am looking for alternatives but I would like a place to sleep and something to eat in the meantime.
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I took a look at payscale.com, Italy doesn't look like a good country to be a programmer in, paywise atleast.
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After answering all the questions i discovered that
Quote: You're making less money than 93% of people like you
with 9k/year of difference from the median. Nice.
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Vincent Maverick Durano wrote: it's still nothing without good documentation.
bullshit
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Slacker007 wrote: Vincent Maverick Durano wrote: it's still nothing without good documentation.
bullshit
Does "bullshit" applies for REST APIs you code and shared publicly?
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All my code is documented. Our stories don't pass their DOD (definition of done) until the code is reviewed and any internal and external facing documentation is done. We document intelligently, and not for the sake of documenting. Where I work, almost everyone has a lot of experience and no egos. It's a great ![Heart | [heart]](https://codeproject.global.ssl.fastly.net/script/Forums/Images/love.gif) place to work!
/ravi
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Are you ok? Are they still threatening with a gun? Just act naturally, say you're ordering a pizza. Is your family safe? We are preparing an extraction plan, keep calm and act naturally.
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den2k88 wrote: We are preparing an extraction plan, keep calm and act naturally.
Ha ha ha! I guess I'm in the minority (old fart working in an early stage company), but ever since I left the world of large corporations (albeit heavily technical and 100% focussed on software development) for the world of startups in 2000, I've never looked back. The hours are long, but the rewards are worth it. It's great to be able to directly influence the direction and building of a software product, especially when you have excellent management (very technology aware), dev, sales and implementation teams in place. Bright people with no egos - it's awesome!
The best part is I get to learn from people who are smarter (a LOT smarter) than I am. 
/ravi
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