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Nelek wrote: That's something that would be really cool to see how it ends
Slluuurrrrppppp! 
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In other news: a dark pebble* 4,000 light years away has led astronomers to believe that they have made a radical discovery, 12,700 light years behind it.
* Dark pebbles will become all the rage, just you wait and see
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Red Flag Windows: Microsoft modifies Windows OS for Chinese government | Ars Technica UK[^]
Quote: The Chinese government, like the US government, has been permitted source code review for security purposes
And what about the security and privacy of the end users?
M.D.V. 
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Well, the changes requested by the Chinese Intelligence Agency (oh see, a conspiration  ) are for Chinese users only, while the changes requested by US authorities are for all users world-wide. That makes a difference, eh?
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Waving a red flag at bullsh1t?
Makes sense, to me.
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This isn't new. China is a big enough market that MS has been making ridiculous concessions to them for years; and they'd be stupid not to.
The problem is that they get source code to feed into their million-monkey pit, which is where a lot of the new Zero-day exploits come from.
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Nathan Minier wrote: which is where a lot of the new Zero-day exploits come from.
Endly someone sees it as me. With the excuse of making it secure for "our enterprises" they have access to the sources and can find everything what can be exploited.
M.D.V.
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Nathan Minier wrote: China is a big enough market that MS has been making ridiculous concessions to them for years
They have to. Android and apple own the Chinese market.Nathan Minier wrote: The problem is that they get source code to feed into their million-monkey pit, which is where a lot of the new Zero-day exploits come from
Seriously?
Google and every security site disagree.
In malware "rankings", China is close to the bottom, and the US is close to the top.
Taking the same attitude:
No wonder China wants to see the source code -- the million monkeys making it in the US are all malware producers.
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You said malware; I said zero-day exploits. Those two things are not synonymous.
Cyber-warfare is a publicly stated priority of the PLA.
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Nathan Minier wrote: You said malware; I said zero-day exploits.
Potato/potato/banana/Spock/lizard.Nathan Minier wrote: Cyber-warfare is a publicly stated priority of the PLA.
Really?[^] (that's the top result, when searching on your statement "Cyber-warfare is a publicly stated priority of the PLA").
All governments are at it; how could they not be?
And you can be sure that the US is up there in the top five, with an annual budget in the billions. They've even been publicly exposed, committing cyber-sabotage which could easily have resulted in the deaths of many innocents (StuxNet and Flame, anyone?)
Reputable sources with information about who is up to what are all over the Internet -- even a visit to wikipedia[^] (which I would rarely recommend) provides enlightenment on the topic.
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Mark_Wallace wrote: Potato/potato/banana/Spock/lizard.
I don't agree.
I like that the link you provided was from 2011. Fast forward to a year ago:
PLA on cyberwarfare buildup - Washington Times
Mark_Wallace wrote: All governments are at it; how could they not be?
I won't disagree with that, and will freely admit to a US bias when it comes to cyber warfare.
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Nathan Minier wrote: I like that the link you provided was from 2011
As I said, it was the first result of the search.Nathan Minier wrote: PLA on cyberwarfare buildup - Washington Times
That didn't turn up in the first fold of the search (I didn't look any further), probably because it's already been discredited as a scare story, based on misrepresenting statements from a soldier applying for a bigger budget, and saying what it could be spent on.
I'll get the missus to read the Chinese article to me, to see which perspective on it is the right one.
You can certainly rely on the WP to keep you up to date with the latest US propaganda, though; that's its job.
The Star (whether US or UK) is obviously a more reliable source of information. You can trust every word in it (and the UK version has boobies!).
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Nelek wrote: And what about the security and privacy of the end users?
The Chinese gov't required that IE 6 be installed.
Marc
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It's an awesome little device, I have 3 of them.
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I think of the pi as being a motherboard, not a computer, so it shouldn't be included in computer rankings -- especially since it would win hands down in motherboard rankings.
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Putting everything except the power supply on the motherboard is hardly a revolutionary idea -- i.e. I could do pretty much what you say with my old 386 motherboards (well, similar, but with older tech than SD, HDMI, etc), but then everything went all modular, with separate cards for everything.
IMO, if it ain't in a box that also contains a power supply, it ain't a PC.
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So if the power supply is in a box separate from the motherboard in another box right next to it, it's still not a PC?
What if the motherboard site on a tray and the power supply is below that, none of which is in a box, such as this[^] ?
Your definition seems to be lacking.
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Hey, mods don't count!
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Oh yes they do!  That one just doesn't have all the walls and the motherboard sits on the roof.
I just built a new machine. The motherboard sits on a removable tray in the main case and the power supply sits in its own case under the main case. The lower case supports two power supplies and still has enough room for water radiators and pumps. Is it still a PC?
Check out CaseLabs[^].
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OK, I gotta ask why you should need your motherboard to be removable.
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Easier to swap the motherboard.
Better question. Why would I need a case big enough to have a mini-bar in it?
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Dave Kreskowiak wrote: Easier to swap the motherboard.
Ah, yes.
I only do that every second Thursday, so it didn't occur to me to make it 4.3% easier to do.
Dave Kreskowiak wrote: Why would I need a case big enough to have a mini-bar in it?
Bigger, shirley?
Because you also need room for the industrial-grade cooling, for the beer -- and space for the hoover, to take away all the dust attracted by the magnetic fields.
But if you just don't like big cases, Get a smaller one with the same power kit inside[^].
Or, even better, choose your own kit, and make a case for it.
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