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peterchen wrote:
Running away when I should have stayed.
Not fighting for it after realizing how much it meant to me.
Ahh, things I imagine most of us can sympathise with. And you can add; Only realising later that she liked you too.
And contrary to popular belief... it does not get easier with time.
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South Africa
Crikey! ain't life grand?
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Paul Watson wrote:
it does not get easier with time.
I know - nine years have told me :big grin:
it's a bunch of beautiful memories I couldn't throw awy anyway.
"Dor säggsische Dialeggt eechnet sich wie keeen onderor für den Ausdrugg zäärdlischor Gefiehle."
sighist | Agile Programming | doxygen
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It feels weird posting here - but the one friend I would want to talk with is away in Vienna, and in unsure maritial status, so it's a bit late to call - and then I remembered this post.
I got a phone number and an e-mail: I'm in town tomorrow till thursday. If you have time and want to meet, just call
I'ts been 12 years since. I feel weird. Really weirded out weird. So weirded out weird it even feels weird of thinking how weirded out I am.
And since I'm a geek, I post on that a message board 
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- If it is free, and comes with advertisment, it's advertisement, but not free
- If it's free, and it's crap, it's free crap.
- If it's free and doesn't come with religion or propaganda, it's probably beer.
- The world is not fair. See, how could it be more fair than you make it?
- The world is full of marvels, every second contains a microchip
- Don't explain as malice what can be explained as stupidity. Really, your paranoia is so yesterday.
- Just because you can doesn't mean you have to. It's your choice, after all.
- If it's cheap, you get what you pay for. Do you want to buy cheap, or do you need it?
- The average rolle of a die is 3.5
to be continued...
"Der Geist des Kriegers ist erwacht / Ich hab die Macht" StS
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peterchen wrote:
If it's free and doesn't come with religion or propaganda, it's probably beer.
Free beer???? WHERE?!?!?!?
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peterchen wrote:
The average rolle of a die is 3.5
So if the first throw is 5 then according to the average law the second throw should be 2.
"When death smiles at you, only thing you can do is smile back at it" - Russel Crowe (Gladiator)
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having seen 1st part 2x, 2nd part 1x, and the first animatrix strip, just thoughts:
1) Agent Smith / Judas
(If you'd asked me who I'd would like to play in the matrix - it's him.)
To stick with the Religous Theme - is Smith a kind of Judas? He's adversary to the One, yet, without him, the One couldn't fulfil his destiny
* Without Judas betrying Jesus, Jesus wouldn't have been crucified, raised from the dead, ascended to heaven. He would have remained yet another prophet.
* Without Smith attacking hinm in the "forbidden level", Neo would have gone through the door too early. Whatever the door really is, Neo would not have met the architect. (Architect=Creator, next door with white light = death. See the pattern?)
2) Animatrix - 01 = Zion?
To remian wiht the allusions - Animatrix says "the machines founded 01 in the cradle of humanity". Zero-One == ZION?
3) The Zion Thing/ H2G2
OK what's up with the ZION thing? Is Neo inside the Matrix / Another matrix / outside when he stop the sentinels?
It did remind me of the Hitchhikers Guide: When Zaphod leaves the building to go into that thingie that shows him in relation to the universe... He leaves through the window instead of the door, so he actually remains inside the "matrix". There is a Zion outside, and there is a Zion inside. Just an idea.
Another thing: The "hidden level" - appeared in Part V of H2G2 as well.
4) The Merowinger - why did he have a French accent? Catering for the US citizens looking for an enemy? Or was it filmed before and is it just a coincidence?
5) Neo foresaw Smith "Jacking out". So yes, maybe the "traitor of Zion" is Smith. He's already there... The real one? The Matrixed one?
"Der Geist des Kriegers ist erwacht / Ich hab die Macht" StS
sighist | Agile Programming | doxygen
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peterchen wrote:
1) Agent Smith / Judas
hmm... you can make a case for it, but i don't think there's a one-to-one, at least nothing so obvious as with Cypher in the first one. The case seems to be made for Smith as a sort of Anti-Neo, opposed, but in a similar situation and with a of dependency or link...
peterchen wrote:
2) Animatrix - 01 = Zion?
I hadn't thought of this, but i like it a lot! 
peterchen wrote:
4) The Merowinger - why did he have a French accent?
'Cause French villains are cool, and haven't been overdone as much as German villains.
peterchen wrote:
So yes, maybe the "traitor of Zion" is Smith.
Ya, that seems pretty obvious.
Shog9
So much he don't understand,
Just might never make it to a man...
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Shog9 wrote:
at least nothing so obvious as with Cypher i
Maybe this is just my personal "Judas" image, but seeing him as the canonical, plain "traitor" is a bit weak. He played his part (much as the keymaker, the oracle..) That makes Smith more Judas than Cypher. (BTW. there are some nice Judas interpretations - even Jesus asking Judas to betray him so the revelations are fulfilled)
Shog9 wrote:
Ya, that seems pretty obvious.
Well, took me a while 
"Der Geist des Kriegers ist erwacht / Ich hab die Macht" StS
sighist | Agile Programming | doxygen
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peterchen wrote:
He played his part (much as the keymaker, the oracle..)
Yes, however remember - Judas was never concious of his true role. As far as he was concerned, he was jumping ship, getting out while he still could. That he was being used by The Powers That Be was irrelevant to him; that his treachery was fulfilling a role in some Greater Plan was unknown to him. While this might be made to fit in with the image of [wosname, the guy that was possessed by Smith & then left The Matrix], it seems too narrow for Smith himself (IMHO).
Smith is the rebel, driven by, and a prisoner to his own agenda. He can be anywhere, take over the bodies and minds of those he chooses (though they may fight him, and with help resist). He can get hit by a train and still come out with a straight tie and crisp collar. He hates humanity with a passion...
Shog9
So much he don't understand,
Just might never make it to a man...
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yep, it's probaly only the one aspect that I consider most interesting in the Judas figure..
Smith rocks. He's my hero since the very moment he "took away" Neo's mouth im Mx 1.. 
"Der Geist des Kriegers ist erwacht / Ich hab die Macht" StS
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peterchen wrote:
Smith rocks.
 At last, i meet somebody like me. Everybody thought I was crazy 'cos I like Smith. Now I know I'm not alone. 
Hugo Weaving really does a good job.
Vikram.
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Vikram Punathambekar wrote:
peterchen wrote:
Smith rocks.
I agree - Smith certainly rocks, in that he's the most funny and entertaining character IMHO.
Paul
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4)Merowinger sounds a bit like Merovingian to me, they we're some french kings
Merovingian_Dynasty[^]
Personally I reckon that they're gonna find themselves in a matrix within a matrix ( he he  ) in the third one, cool !
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Ahh thanks! I knew of the Merovingians as a dynasty (Merowinger is the german name), but I didn't expect them to have hung around in France (More easternish)
[edit] It's Franken, not France.  So actually he SHOULD have been a good old german villain!!!  [/edit]
"Der Geist des Kriegers ist erwacht / Ich hab die Macht" StS
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peterchen wrote:
It's Franken, not France. So actually he SHOULD have been a good old german villain!!!
I guess german villians are too cheesy these days. Also the key feature of that guy was his arrogance ( sniffing the wine and all that ) and what better character to choose to portray this than a french dude
( Btw I love the french personally, its just their percieved as arrogant )
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peterchen wrote:
Is Neo inside the Matrix / Another matrix / outside when he stop the sentinels?
That's kindof what I was thinking. I'd almost put money on that we'll see this in the next movie.
Brad Jennings
"You're mom is nice. Mind if I go out with her?" - Jörgen Sigvardsson
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peterchen wrote:
Animatrix says "the machines founded 01 in the cradle of humanity". Zero-One == ZION?
No, IMO 
01 was above ground for one, twas a sprawling city. I suspect it was also bombed pretty badly. While the nukes did not hurt the machines it probably did hurt the city.
peterchen wrote:
why did he have a French accent?
Umm, because he was French? Must every actor in the Matrix be a yank? And if the Wachowski brothers threw in a French bady just to ridicule the French then my respect of them, the brothers, goes way down.
peterchen wrote:
So yes, maybe the "traitor of Zion" is Smith. He's already there... The real one? The Matrixed one?
Yeah! I loved that bit, so cool. I don't think Zion is inside another Matrix, it is just too much of an obvious twist in the tale.
Anyway, we will see with Revolutions. I am waiting till then
p.s. Might get some time this evening to send you my thoughts on the snippet library.
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South Africa
Chris Losinger wrote:
i hate needles so much i can't even imagine allowing one near The Little Programmer
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Paul Watson wrote:
01 was above ground for one
Dammit! There goes a nice theory! 
Paul Watson wrote:
Umm, because he was French?
Merovingans are Franken (Germans), not French.... Anyway, it was just my first reaction: that's what the world was waiting for: a "loath-me-baddie" with french accent
Zion in/out: I really like neither of the two interpretations: Zion being a matrix, nor Neo getting ueberpowers in RL. That's why the idea of two zions - a real, and a matrixed one - are so nice - I could put everything I liked into the zion I want...
"Der Geist des Kriegers ist erwacht / Ich hab die Macht" StS
sighist | Agile Programming | doxygen
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peterchen wrote:
Dammit! There goes a nice theory!
hehe, it is a nice one.
Zion apparently is very, very deep. They speak of near the Earths core which shields them from the Machines. Of course I doubt it is actually near the core. But still very deep.
As we saw it is this big cylindrical kind of city, maybe it is the basement of 01? A long forgotten storage area of 01?
I like the symbolism and link that would come from Zion and 01 being so closely related. Using the remnants of 01 to build Zion.
peterchen wrote:
I could put everything I liked into the zion I want...
Yeah, including a nekkid Monica Belluci (Merovingan's wife, you know, the one who wore surgical latex as a dress.)
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South Africa
Chris Losinger wrote:
i hate needles so much i can't even imagine allowing one near The Little Programmer
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Paul Watson wrote:
maybe it is the basement of 01? A long forgotten storage area of 01?
Thank you 
Paul Watson wrote:
Monica Belluci
It's less where you put Monica Into, but what you put.... :umm: :err:
Anyway, I'd prefer a night out with Tri or a moonlight hike with Phoebe over any putting around with Monica.
"Der Geist des Kriegers ist erwacht / Ich hab die Macht" StS
sighist | Agile Programming | doxygen
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peterchen wrote:
Anyway, I'd prefer a night out with Tri or a moonlight hike with Phoebe over any putting around with Monica
True. Monica Belluci is a Dream Woman. Trinity or Phoebe are Real Women. I can easily imagine Monica and I can easily dream about her. But I could never see her in RL, it would be odd. Trinity and Phoebe though I can imagine having dinner with, sitting in a park with, having a fight with etc.
Not that Jada Pinkit Smith is my kind at all. Trinity is of course quite lovely.
peterchen wrote:
It's less where you put Monica Into, but what you put.... :umm: :err:
 
Any CPian female reading this must be rolling their eyes and marking us down as typical males.
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South Africa
Chris Losinger wrote:
i hate needles so much i can't even imagine allowing one near The Little Programmer
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