Re: Few question about static class c# - C# Discussion Boards

i have very small programming experience. i heard about code optimization but do not know what it is. so i like to have good insight about code optimization that what it is and how people do the code optimization in real life. looking for good discussion and also redirect me to few good article which guide me to do the code optimization in real life. thanks

tbhattacharjee

I don't know of any "good sources" (well I know one, but it's pretty advanced), but I can give you a quick tour:

Profile everything. If you make any change to the part of the program you're optimizing, profile it again. Profile with realistic data - it can make all the difference. Don't bother with microbenchmarks, they're even harder to do right than normal benchmarking and they usually don't give a clear picture of how things behave in context. Besides, most likely, other people have already done them, so just look up the results.
Try out many different strategies. The algorithm that looks fastest on paper isn't always the fastest in practice, so be sure to try the "slow way" too, especially if it's much simpler or uses much less memory.
Ask for help often and/or search around for existing answers, and pay special attention to the explanation of why a certain thing is faster than an other.
After a while (could take some time) you'll get accustomed to the often counter-intuitive rules that determine what is fast and what isn't. Even then it'll be a constant battle of applying a new idea and benchmarking that, combining ideas and testing whether maybe together they help even if none of them helped individually, it'll still be hard and it will still take a lot of time, but you won't just be trying things blindly anymore.

On a more personal level, don't let people with "optimization is evil"-mindsets get to you. Their mindset is fueled by the constant attempts that people make to optimize the wrong thing incorrectly - as a beginner in the field of optimization, you will make that mistake. Everyone does. Ignore them, improve your skills, and eventually you won't make that mistake anymore. Or less often anyway, everyone makes mistakes now and then.

modified 26-Mar-13 5:57am.

Tridip Bhattacharjee wrote:
i have very small programming experience

Then it is unlikely to be a good idea.

You need to know how to write "good" programs before you can understand how to make them more performant.

Requirements\architecture\design has far more impact on performance than any code optimizations will. So learning how to do the former well is going to have far more impact.

we know that when we declare static class then static class load in memory once when we run our apps. i was asked a wired question in interview and i could not explain very well. the question was 1) why we can not create instance of static class ? i will be glad if anyone explain in detail.

2) how memory is allocated for static class & why static class data stored in stack not in heap ?
looking for details discussion. thanks

tbhattacharjee

1) By definition.
2) What?

Those are horrible interview questions, I suspect they already decided they don't want you.

1) The purpose of a static class is to have only static methods... as I already explained on the other answer, extension methods require static classes, but a static method inside a static class or inside a normal class works the same way.

2) I think you are confusing static classes with value types. All the data on static classes uses normal allocation (heap). Only local variables are kept on the stack. But, as I said on the other answer, an int can be on the heap if it is part of another class, or it can be on the stack if it is a local variable (and actually this is not always true with anonymous delegates, but less forget about it).
A reference type (like a string) is always on the heap. But the "pointer" to such string follows the same principle as an int. So, a local string will have a reference on the stack and the real object on the heap. A string inside another object will have a pointer on the heap (the object which such string) and the string itself also on the heap, but at another place.

modified 25-Mar-13 12:13pm.

thanks for your time & answer.
you said :- Only local variables are kept on the stack.
an int can be on the heap if it is part of another class, or it can be on the stack if it is a local variable.

can u plzz explain with example or sample code which one will store when on heap and stack?
when int will store in heap and when on stack? i heard int is struct type and struct types are value type and they always store on stack. it would better if u please come with sample class code and explanation.

also tell me where actual value will store like Name="keith" Salary=25000 etc. thanks

tbhattacharjee

In any method...

C#

int i = 5; // the value 5 is on stack.
MyObject myObject = new MyObject();
// as discussed, the myObject reference is on stack, but the MyObject content is on the heap.
// now, imagine that the MyObject has an int field.
myObject.intField = 10; // as the contents of myObject are on the heap, the intField is on the heap.

If you use unsafe code you can check the real size of objects by using the sizeof() operator. It will show you how many bytes such object will occupy. If it is a value type, that means how many bytes it will occupy where it is declared (if declared locally, it will be in stack... if declared inside another class, that will means how many bytes it will add to the size of instances of that class).

And to explain your question about Name and Salary.
If you have a class with both Name and Salary, the contents of such class will always be on the heap.
So, you will have:
Name = some address... 4 or 8 bytes (depending if the computer is 32 or 64 bits)
Salary = (if it is an int, then 4 bytes).

And that "some address" will in fact be where the "keith" object is contained.
There is where an important factor happens:
Imagine that you have 2 instances of your type that has name and salary, but both pointing to the same name.

Considering a 64 bits computer, each instance will have the normal object header (I think it is 16 bytes) + a string reference (8 bytes) + an int (4 bytes).
That is: 28 for each instance * 2 = 56.
But you will have "keith" only once in memory.
Again, this should be 16 + the length of the string * 2 + some info used by the string itself (I think it is only the hashcode, but I am not sure). That is: 16 + 10 + 4. Or 30 bytes only to contain "keith" in memory.

Now, if you have 100 references to "keith", the string reference will always stay at 8 bytes... so, 100 references = 800 bytes. But the string is only once in memory. Much better than having 30 * 100 (or 3000 bytes) for the strings.

Seems like you may be interested in this: http://blogs.msdn.com/b/ericlippert/archive/2010/09/30/the-truth-about-value-types.aspx[^]

I've been a bit confused when I wrote this. Nevermind, see my next post below, it contains all clarification which is neccessary.

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modified 25-Mar-13 15:36pm.

i have a doubt that u said :- A static class is used when it makes no sense of having two classes. For example, if you write an application to calculate something, it simply makes no sense when you write.

in this case why do i need to create static class rather we can create static function inside in any non-static class and my purpose will be solved. i firmly believe that there must be some solid reason when user has to create static class. anyway thanks for ur time.

tbhattacharjee

Tridip Bhattacharjee wrote:
in this case why do i need to create static class rather we can create static function inside in any non-static class and my purpose will be solved.

No, think about the Directory-class in the .Net framework. Or the File-class. They are both static because they offer functionalities and not data.

Tridip Bhattacharjee wrote:
i firmly believe that there must be some solid reason when user has to create static class.

I do too. IMO this happens as soon as a class shoulde provide functionalities instead of information.

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u said : - think about the Directory-class in the .Net framework. Or the File-class. They are both static because they offer functionalists and not data.

it will be more help full for me if u come with sample code for static class which show me the importance of creating it instead of create a static method inside in any non-static class. thanks

tbhattacharjee

Tridip Bhattacharjee wrote:
it will be more help full for me if u come with sample code for static class which show me the importance of creating it instead of create a static method inside in any non-static class. thanks

Can we keep a normal conversation level with friendly sound? thanks.
I made a practical example. Since I am volunteer answering questions I kindly ask you to read Dave's link. It is nothing personal but I can't submit code for anyone asking for it. I personally mpostly do this when the OP has already submitted a bit of code to start fom.

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you said to read Dave's link....but where it is ? thanks

tbhattacharjee

Here[^]. Right below this post.

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Read this[^]

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A normal class is instantiated to an object and you can create many objects with that class. (thus you can see a class as a template for creating objects, each with its own properties)

A static class on the other hand cannot create objects at all. it can hold an algorithm (functions/methods) or some data, but it doesn't belong to anything.

C#

//Suppose a Class car with properties color and speed and methods accelerate and turn.
// you can do this:
Car red_car = new Car();
Car blue_car = new Car();
red_car.Speed = 100;
red_car.Color = Red;
blue_car.Speed = 65;
blue_car.Color = Blue;

// Now you have 2 instances of the class Car.  blue_car and red_car, each with its own properties.
// next lets execute an algorithm
red_car.Accelerate(-25);
blue_car.Accelerate(10);

//You'll notice that at this point:
//1) red_car and blue_car are different entities.
//2) I NEVER used the class Car as a reference to access properties or methods.

C#

//Suppose a static class MathConstants with properties Pi and e and a method CalculateCircleCircumfence.
// You can NOT do this:
//MathConstants mc = new MathConstants(); 

//You can do this:
double radius = 3.6;
double circumfence = MathConstants.CalculateCircleCircumfence(radius);
double americanpie = 3.141599999;
MathConstants.PI = americanpie;
//know our MathConstants.PI has changed for every usage from this point on.

//You'll notice that at this point:
//1) There are no different entities, because you cannot create them
//2) I ALWAYS used MathConstants to access properties and methods.

The real world is less black and white than this, but I hope it makes some issues clearer for you.

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most of the book never explain how memory is allocated for things we use.

i think no memory is allocated for class structure including member function and data member. memory is allocated when we create instance of class.....am i right ?

1) suppose if my class structure is like below one then just tell me how memory will be allocated ?

public class Employee
{
double mydata = 0;
private string _FirstName;

public string FirstName
{
get { return _FirstName; }
set { _FirstName = value ; }
}

private string _LastName;

public string LastName
{
get { return _LastName; }
set { _LastName = value; }
}

public double CalculateValue()
{
return mydata ;
}
}

2) so when i create a instance of employee class then how memory will be allocated for property, data member and member function ?

3) when this line will execute like Employee emp = new Employee(); then how memory will be allocated and also tell me memory will be allocated for which member of that class ?

4) when we call emp.FirstName ="blah" then how memory will be allocated ? and how long data will be stored in memory?

5) any memory is allocated for any interface means IStuden ?

6) we know that for any class instance memory is allocated in heap not stack but i heared that pointer is stored in heap but actual data is stored in stack. so any one can tell me with example how data is stored in heap & stack ? and also in some cases data is only stored in stack.....why ??

7) why one should create static class rather user can declare static method in non-static class and can access those method like

className.MethodName() ? so when and in what kind of scenario user has to create a static class ? is there any advantage of creating

static class ?

i know i have too many question. so i apologized but if possible please give answer in details. thanks

tbhattacharjee

I think there are many questions and some of them are not a simple answer, so I will try to resume.

Any code that should be loaded (like a method) will eventually use memory. I say eventually because it may not have been jitted yet, but when it is, it will use memory. But that will happen only once. It is not important if you have 1 instance or 1000 instances. The method is only once on memory.

So, for instance, only the field sizes occupy memory. An int is 4 bytes (so a class with 2 ints will occupy 8 bytes + the instance "header"). Such header is variable and I am not sure on the size... I think it is 12 bytes on 32-bit computers and 16 on 64-bit computers.
Any reference (the "pointer") is 4 bytes on 32-computers and 8 bytes on 64-bit computers.

But when you have a string field, in you class you will have 4 or 8 bytes for the reference (a null reference still uses such bytes, as zeros). Then, if you have the string filled, you will have: 4 or 8 bytes to reference a string.
Such string will have 12/16 bytes of its header + the length of the string * 2 (each character is 2 bytes) + some extra info on the string itself (I think the hashcode, for example, is always stored).

Also, virtual methods (and interfaces are included) occupy memory for their vtable... again, it is once for the class, it is not important if you have 1 instance or 1 million.

About stack and heap... in fact, any value type can be stored in the stack, and the reference can also be stored on stack... but when you already have an objet with an int, such in is not on the stack... it is already on the heap. So that means: value types and the reference themselves are kept on the "actual" location (stack or heap) while the created reference type object is always on the heap, at another location.

About the static classes, there are some scenarios.
First, a static class can never be instantiated. It looks better to create a static class than to create a normal class with a private constructor to avoid it from being instantiated.
Second, extension methods require static classes. You can't put them on non-static classes, so you may have such need.

Aside from that, there is no real difference. A static method on a normal class is as static as a static method on a static class. It is simple a matter of design choices.

thanks for your answer & time. few things got clear after reading your answer but still few area is not clear and those are.

1) Any code that should be loaded (like a method) will eventually use memory. I say eventually because it may not have been jitted yet, but when it is, it will use memory. But that will happen only once. It is not important if you have 1 instance or 1000 instances. The method is only once on memory.

we know that JIT compiler generate machine code at run time. so when i will create a instance of employee class then how much memory will be allocated?

when we call method like instance.methodname() then memory will be allocated for method? but how much memory will allocated i just can not visualize.

u said - The method is only once on memory. how long method will be on memory ? until we dispose that instance ?

another thing u did not say like if local variable declare in method where they will be stored....in heap or stack?

2) u said :- Any reference (the "pointer") is 4 bytes on 32-computers and 8 bytes on 64-bit computers.
can u plzz explain in more detail the point 2 with sample code. which references u r talking about here.
a class may have many data member like string,double,float & datetime etc.

3) u said :- Also, virtual methods (and interfaces are included) occupy memory for their vtable... again, it is once for the class, it is not important if you have 1 instance or 1 million.

i just like to know how memory is occupied for interface ? because interface is abstract not concrete. can u please come with sample code just to show me when & how memory is allocated for interface

4) u said :- value types and the reference themselves are kept on the "actual" location (stack or heap) while the created reference type object is always on the heap, at another location.

the above point 4 not at all clear. we know when we create instance then memory is allocated for that instance is on heap not stack. please discuss the point 4 in more details with example.

i apologize that many area still not clear and here i discuss with point wise. so when u give answer then please give it point wise and also with example for better visualization.

if possible give me some links of site from where class, instance and memory allocation doubts can be more clear. thanks

tbhattacharjee

1. The method must be loaded into memory (jitted) once for a method to run. So, if the method is already in memory, doing instance.methodname() does not allocates any memory (if the method allocates memory when executing it is another story).

But, how much memory for the jit? Well, that depends on the size of the method... I don't know exactly, but it is sure that a return x; will be pretty small.

The method is usually on memory forever once you execute it. You can dispose all the objects, you may force garbage collections, but loaded assemblies remain in memory. (there are collective assemblies, but that's far away from normal usage).

2.

C#

string x = "Test";
string y = x;

"Test" is only once in memory. Both x and y are the references to "Test".
x and y will each one occupy 4 bytes of the stack (if they are declared in the body of a method) or will add 4 bytes to the size of the class/struct where they are declared, if the computer is 32 bits. If the computer is 64bits, then the size of x and y will be 8 (a 64-bit address).

3. When you receive an object of type ISomeInterface... it is surely of a concrete type, right? But, how the someInterface.Call() finds the ConcreteClass.Call()?
There is such VirtualTable for the interface, which in fact has the address (again, 4 or 8 bytes) of the real method.

In fact, I don't know how many size implementing an interface (note that: implementing... 3 classes that implement ISomeInterface means there is 3 times the size of such interface-implementation required), but each method that exist in the interface will probably add 4 or 8 bytes for their address, but it is possible that .Net does some optimizations to reduce this (I really don't know).

4. I already answered it on the answer to the other question. If you do new SomeType() and such type has an int field, such int field will be in the heap memory of SomeType.

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