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DavidCrow wrote: See here.
I don't think I believe that. It says
"In particular, "virtual" allows us to call a function knowing only an interfaces and not the exact type"
And that seems to suffer from the same problem of equating a constructor to a method.
With a virtual method I can do the following
MyBase* p = ...
p->myVirtualMethod()
But it isn't possible to semantically create statements that are similar to that using a constructor. So the type would still be known.
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Consider the opposite, that it was possible.
Subclassing, can sometimes be viewed as specialization.
Dog is a specializations of an Animal.
If the Animal has private variables, these are initialized in the constructor.
If the constructor is virtual, it is replaced by a subclass' constructor.
According to the principles of data hiding (public, protected, private), a sub class cannot access private member variables of a parent type. So these member variables would be left uninitialized. You don't want that because the parent class would break.
If you by some reason need a virtual constructor there is a Design Pattern called the Template Method,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_method_pattern
In the example they have they define an algorithm in the parent class,
and let the subclass define the implementation.
It is of course possible to apply the same principle in constructors by creating a virtual method called "Initialize" which you call from the constructor. When this method is redefined in a subclass it will override the parent's definition.
But I have never came across the need for a virtual constructor. Why do you need one?
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You started on a good idea, i. e. posing the question 'what if?'. You raised the wrong question though, since initialization is not really a problem: C++ implicitly calls the constructors of its parent classes!
Instead you should have asked this:
What if ...
1. I had a class called Animal
2. two subclasses called cat and mouse
3. a virtual constructor for Animal.
--> what would that constructor create?
There is no answer to this question: in order to decide what subclass to create, you'd need to decide what type the object is of. But to decide the type, you'd need to create the object first! It is a typical hen-and-egg problem. It cannot be solved. Therefore there is no sense in a virtual constructor.
There is a mechanism for methods that do not require an actual instance of an object: static. But you cannot override a static method, exactly because it is not tied to an instance, and therefore there is no way to resolve a virtual call!
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Yes the default behavior is that all constructors execute,
the subclass and all its parents constructors, so initialization isn't a problem.
Overriding is generally done by declaring methods virtual.
I thought he meant how to "override" the constructor,
but that doesn't make much sense.
That was my point I was trying to get to.
You were asking on the other hand asking:
What would a virtual constructor create?
But what is actually common is to have virtual methods
that create subclass objects.
This is how the factory pattern works.
The parent class provides a CreateInstance Method.
specialized factory implementations(subclasses), create related objects of the same family.
An SqlServerConnection object provides a CreateCommand method that returns a SqlServerCommand, whereas the OracleConnection object's CreateCommand would return an OracleCommand. The Create methods are not class constructors, but they are constructing objects. It is probably not safe to call virtual methods from a constructor, because the parent constructors execute before the constructors of the subclasses have finished.
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Mattias Högström wrote: You were asking on the other hand asking:
What would a virtual constructor create?
But what is actually common is to have virtual methods that create subclass objects.
That is not a valid answer to my question. There is in fact no valid answer. And that is the point of the question!
Of course using factories or similar is a reasonable solution in such a situation - but that was not my question, nor the OPs'.
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I didn't try to answer your question 
The original question was "why no virtual constructor" (I suppose he is asking because there are virtual destructors)
You are confusing me.... talking about valid answers.
There is probably a reason why there is no virtual constructor in C++
If the language designer would have wanted one, it could have been added regardless if it was useful or not.
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What came first, the chicken or the pure virtual CAnimal?
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Mattias Högström wrote: It is of course possible to apply the same principle in constructors by creating a virtual method called "Initialize" which you call from the constructor. When this method is redefined in a subclass it will override the parent's definition.
I don't think so.
http://www2.research.att.com/~bs/bs_faq2.html#vcall[^]
And even if it is now possible (or possible in other OO languages) it is something that should be used with a great deal of care. The reason for that is that because it is virtual then intent would be that it interacts both with the parent and child. And not understanding exactly how the parent and child are designed to work and not understanding in detail how the child parent are implemented can lead to problems. Especially when one considers maintenance.
And often when people want to do this it is because they do not understand the above or even understand what constructors are. So probably best to just say - don't do it.
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you're right. I remember reading that before. It is unsafe or undefined to call a virtual method from the constructor. I was mearly trying to show the usage of virtual methods that can create objects by delegating the exact type to a subclass to define it. This is how some factories are implemented. But I should have stopped there. I went too far. Calling them from constructors are of course not possible due to how parents an children are created. I have never found any need for a virtual constructor, but virtual methods that create objects often.
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Mattias Högström wrote: It is unsafe or undefined to call a virtual method from the constructor.
It is defined behavior.
Mattias Högström wrote: Calling them from constructors are of course not possible due to how parents an children are created
Not sure what that means. It not possible because the language definition doesn't allow it. Perhaps your reason is a restatement of why that rule exists.
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jschell wrote:
It is defined behavior.
I suppose you mean that the defined behavior is that it isn´t allowed.
I meant that its behavior would be undefined if it was allowed.
jschell wrote: Not sure what that means. It not possible because the language definition doesn't allow it. Perhaps your reason is a restatement of why that rule exists.
Yes.
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// Why there is no virtual constructor in C++? Can anybody explain me....
It would be a construction of a tool without its material :
- shaping of the hammer's hold, but without wood
- sharpening of the knife, but without steel
- ...
They sought it with thimbles, they sought it with care;
They pursued it with forks and hope;
They threatened its life with a railway-share;
They charmed it with smiles and soap.
modified 17-Jul-12 6:20am.
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By default (VC6), app icon is in 16 color only.
How to use/change the app icon with full color?
BTW: for VC6 environment.
Thanks.
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After opening the icon in the icon editor, select New Image Type from the Image menu.
Here you can find all the color depths that are available.
If you do not see what you want, you can do one of the two.
Upgrade to a newer version of Visual Studio.
VS 2010 supports upto 32-bit icons.
Or you can edit the icon file using an external application like MS-Paint or Photoshop.
You do this after creating the icon from VC in the res sub-folder.
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I am developing Dialog based application. It has "CListCtrl" list control and one "Editbox". My requirement is when user type in editbox, automatically the entered text should get selected in the list control.
For this,when i used "FindItem" , it always return -1 even the entered text available in list control.
Here my code
int nPointIndex = 0;
LVFINDINFO info;
int nIndex;
LPCTSTR lpszmyString;
info.flags = LVFI_PARTIAL|LVFI_STRING;
info.psz = _T("DFC102");
nPointIndex = m_cListCtrl.FindItem(&info,-1);
if( nPointIndex != LB_ERR )
{
m_cListCtrl.EnsureVisible(nPointIndex, FALSE);
m_cListCtrl.SetSelectionMark(nPointIndex);
m_cListCtrl.SetItemState(nPointIndex, LVIS_SELECTED | LVIS_FOCUSED, IDC_TAGBROWSER_LIST);
m_cListCtrl.RedrawItems(nPointIndex, nPointIndex);
m_cListCtrl.UpdateWindow();
}
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Here is code that working for me :
LVFINDINFO FindInfo;
FindInfo.flags = LVFI_STRING | LVFI_PARTIAL;
FindInfo.psz = m_sItem; int nItem = m_List.FindItem(&FindInfo);
perhaps you try to search in subitems of the list ?
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Yes you are correct. I am searching 2nd column how to solve. please help me.
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I suggest you to use this[^] listcontrol, which can search in subitems (columns) too ...
modified 14-Jul-12 7:39am.
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You could insert the column you want to search in first, and then change the display order afterwards so it becomes the second column. Or just implement your own search method:
CString token = "hello";
for(int i=0;i<GetItemCount();i++)
CString subitemvalue=GetItemText( i , 2);
if (subitemvalue == token)
return i;
}
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What are the values held in your list control; i.e. is there one that starts with "DFC102"?
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Hi Gurus,
Could you provide me some codes examples to use:
'fopen_s' and 'fscanf_s'.
Thanks
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I got the following compile error message, for using:
srand(time(NULL));
warning C4244: 'argument' : conversion from 'time_t' to 'unsigned int', possible loss of data
Thanks
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It's not an error, but a warning. Try:
srand((unsigned) time(NULL));
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