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It wasn't me!
I'm assuming it's settled down. For what it's worth an update has just been released.
cheers,
Chris Maunder
The Code Project | Co-founder
Microsoft C++ MVP
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I think someone just suggested this, but I can't see exactly what he said because he deleted his text and nobody appears to have quoted his entire message.
It would be real handy if we had a live chat system:
0) A chat would be initiated when a user poses a question. He could then sit there waiting for someone to respond. In order to start a session, the user would have to specify appropriate tags so that responders could reply to questions within their skill set.
1) When someone responds, the questioner would be given the opportunity to begin a dialog with the responder, or ignore him.
2) The number of people in a given chat session could be limited to a small number (3-4?) so that any given chat session doesn't overwhelm the site.
3) A given user could only restricted to being able to participate in one chat session at a time.
4) To afford private exchanges, the questioner could pose his question and create an invite list with users that are allowed to respond. Potential responders that aren't on the invite list wouldn't see the question in the list of live chat questions.
5) I don't see any reason for online/offline status indicators, because users would actually have to browse to the chat page to see what questions are being posed.
6) There is (as always) a certain group of people that would use this kind of thing for spam, or other kinds of abuse, but a reporting mechanism could be put into place to mitigate this issue to a certain extent.
7) If nobody responds (or if the chat session shows no activity) for a specified time period, the user would be prompted to close the chat and to try again later. If he didn't respond to that prompt in within 30 seconds, the chat session would be automatically shut down.
8) Once a chat session is ended, the questioner is asked to evaluate the quality of the individual responders' assistance, and ratings/reputation would be applied accordingly. The default rating would be 3, so if the user ignores the request for a rating, the responders still receive points for participating in the question.
The chat window could be a split window kind of thing where one pane is for conversation, and the other is for code snippets.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
modified 1-Oct-11 11:04am.
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I like the idea, but I don't believe it would be practical.
0) Most of the inquirers in the Q&A as it is now, doesn't even respond to requests for clarification
1) If an advisor requests clarification/more details from the inquirer, like what is the inner exception. Then there will be times when the advisor has to sit there while the inquirer gets the information, and I'm sure that it could easily take multiple minutes.
I would expect that these chat sessions would take about 15-30 in average (or at least you'll have to reserve the next 15-30 minutes of your life to be sure you have the time required), that represents a lot of effort from an advisor to a single inquirer, an effort which is perfectly fine if it was a paid service.
Hell maybe that's an idea, make it a paid service that the Code Project offers and then those members who wishes to support the Code Project could offer their expertise. Personally I would be willing to spend 2-3 hours per week to support the Code Project like that.
My number one dev tool? Google
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Interesting idea, John!
Some questions:
1. Will the chat be available for viewing even after it has ended? What if someone comes along a few days later and notices a fatal flaw in the proposed solution (or whatever). How do they add a comment to a closed chat?
2. Do people in a chat get emails like they do now for posts, when someone replies?
3. Instead of transient chats, have you considered permanent chat rooms, that exist in parallel with current forums? For example, a C# Chat Room, etc. It seems to me that this would be more useful in the context of CP. What do you think?
4. The terms "chat room" and "sms speak" go hand in hand. Do you think sms speak should be allowed in CP chat rooms?
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Hans Dietrich wrote: 1. Will the chat be available for viewing even after it has ended? What if someone comes along a few days later and notices a fatal flaw in the proposed solution (or whatever). How do they add a comment to a closed chat?
Well, no, the chat would die when it's ended. I suppose the site could offer to send a transcript (via email) to everyone who participated, and they could accept or refuse the transcript.
Hans Dietrich wrote: 2. Do people in a chat get emails like they do now for posts, when someone replies?
Nope. They're in the chat - they don't need emails, and besides, some email servers can be pretty slow, resulting in emails being sent long after a chat session timeout has closed the session.
Hans Dietrich wrote: 3. Instead of transient chats, have you considered permanent chat rooms, that exist in parallel with current forums? For example, a C# Chat Room, etc. It seems to me that this would be more useful in the context of CP. What do you think?
I suggested that years ago, and the general consensus was that it would be a perfect abuse for trolls, spam, and other abuses.
Hans Dietrich wrote: 4. The terms "chat room" and "sms speak" go hand in hand. Do you think sms speak should be allowed in CP chat rooms?
I don't know if imposing rules about how something is typed into a chat session would be a reasonable thing to do.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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Have a 5, just for starting your list with 1 and not 0. Personally, I have always considered the first item in a list the 1st item and not the 0th item.
When I was a coder, we worked on algorithms. Today, we memorize APIs for countless libraries — those libraries have the algorithms - Eric Allman
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Wayne Gaylard wrote: I have always considered the first item in a list the 1st item and not the 0th item.
So, either you don't code or what code you do is in VB. 
Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done.
Drink. Get drunk. Fall over - P O'H
OK, I will win to day or my name isn't Ethel Crudacre! - DD Ethel Crudacre
I cannot live by bread alone. Bacon and ketchup are needed as well. - Trollslayer
Have a bit more patience with newbies. Of course some of them act dumb - they're often *students*, for heaven's sake - Terry Pratchett
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Just to let you know the one vote wasn't mine, I gave you a 5. Also just to let you know I have been coding for close on 25 years, using a lot of languages, including many variants of Basic, most of which use 0 to start indexing, but a written list of things to do just does not start with 0. Period. Those people who start written lists with 0 just want other people to know they are programmers.
When I was a coder, we worked on algorithms. Today, we memorize APIs for countless libraries — those libraries have the algorithms - Eric Allman
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Elsewhere I would probably write a list from #1, but the convention hsa grown here that list start with #0 as arrays use 0 based indexes. The VB line is because VB's default is, contrary to other languages, 1 based.
I'm around the 30 year mark [if I include skool wot I learnt me code at] for programming. VB is the only one I can think of that uses 1 based arrays.
Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done.
Drink. Get drunk. Fall over - P O'H
OK, I will win to day or my name isn't Ethel Crudacre! - DD Ethel Crudacre
I cannot live by bread alone. Bacon and ketchup are needed as well. - Trollslayer
Have a bit more patience with newbies. Of course some of them act dumb - they're often *students*, for heaven's sake - Terry Pratchett
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I'm not really one for convention. This particular one just seems to be really silly. 
When I was a coder, we worked on algorithms. Today, we memorize APIs for countless libraries — those libraries have the algorithms - Eric Allman
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It's an interesting idea but chat is not something we're planning at the moment. I've watched many chat rooms over the years, some old, some just recently opened, and generally what I see is great feedback lost to the general populace, or moaning and groaning sessions that spiral out of control, or discussions that rapidly head off topic and/or get abusive and demanding.
cheers,
Chris Maunder
The Code Project | Co-founder
Microsoft C++ MVP
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I could have really used something like that last weekend though. I had (and still have) a bitmap issue that would take days or weeks to get resolved because of the round-trip messages that occur with email or message forums. Using IRC is out of the question for the very reasons you cited, but a well-thought-out chat feature would be really nice to have when we need it.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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http://www.codeproject.com/Search.aspx?qf=epub&q=epub&categoryid=f1_1159_&sort=createddesc[^]
Because of the recent unusual behavior of Chrome Canary, I made sure to test this in IE 9.
Just now I did a search on the Lounge (using the Lounge specific search entry field) for "epub," looking for a recent thread on the Lounge where conversion of e-books was discussed.
The search returned many results. I then modified the search to show in "Date Created Descending" order.
What the modified search returns is a page with no search results, and some curiously unexpected missing ui elements.
best, Bill
"Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, and it may be necessary from time to time to give a stupid or misinformed beholder a black eye." Miss Piggy"
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It's a timeout issue. Try it again and you'll see the results. We are extremely tight on timeouts for search, so for an uncommon search with an uncommon sort, the search servers need to work harder and sometimes they can be too slow. Next time they get it.
cheers,
Chris Maunder
The Code Project | Co-founder
Microsoft C++ MVP
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82kb cropped and down-sampled screen shot here:[^]
Never seen CP mutilated like this, and I've been using the ... oh so frequently updated ... Canary builds for over two months now.
Yes, I am fully aware this is beta software, and, yes, I am sure this is not CP's problem !
Canary is even mutilating the preview of this message.
Why am I posting this: perhaps the same reason the Smithsonian keeps medical curiosities like strange foetuses with multiple organs ?
best, Bill
"Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, and it may be necessary from time to time to give a stupid or misinformed beholder a black eye." Miss Piggy"
modified 30-Sep-11 10:28am.
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Are you sure that isn't the Matrix edition of CP?
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Cosmic rays ? Same reason a whale is found 800 meters from the shore ?
"Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, and it may be necessary from time to time to give a stupid or misinformed beholder a black eye." Miss Piggy"
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I had the ScrambleIfChromeCanary accidentally set to true
cheers,
Chris Maunder
The Code Project | Co-founder
Microsoft C++ MVP
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remove
modified 30-Sep-11 1:48am.
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*ping*(1st chat window)
Newbie1 : Hi, answer my question, it's urgent
CG : huh.....
*ping*(2nd chat window)
Newbie2 : Hi, do my homework
CG : *exhales with angry*
*ping*(3rd chat window)
Newbie3 : Hi, help me for my project because the deadline is tomorrow
CG : Do you think this is the right way to ask the help?
Newbie3 : Come on, JSOP told me the same thing but with the word Retard & etc.,(harsh tone). Anyway it's urgent....
CG :  
*CG Logged out*
thatraja
My Tip/Tricks
My Dad had a Heart Attack on this day so don't...
All these are my opinions. Different people. different way of thinking. I am no one to judge others - Chandru
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I came here to suggest a live chat feature. Check out my suggestion.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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Tejas_Vaishnav wrote: functionality for live chat, or chat with experts..
I got your point.
But if this feature is possible(soon) without any restrictions then,
This feature is danger to Q/A section & forums. Newbies will prefer this feature always to ask questions.
If an enquirer ask a question in Q/A section & forums then it's accessible(shared) to other members too. Also it's searchable one using CP search. And other advantage is he can get number of solutions(be number of authorities) for that single question. It's impossible in chat.
thatraja
My Tip/Tricks
My Dad had a Heart Attack on this day so don't...
All these are my opinions. Different people. different way of thinking. I am no one to judge others - Chandru
modified 30-Sep-11 1:05am.
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thatraja wrote: And other advantage is he can get number of solutions(be number of authorities)
for that single question. It's impossible in chat
Exactly my point too. 
BTW, there must be more than one uni-hole ass-voting you.
Have a 5!
"With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine."
Ross Callon, The Twelve Networking Truths, RFC1925
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You shouldn't remove the message man. Actually It's your suggestion. And I replied my opinion to that. So there's no need to remove the message.
Note for platinum down-voter : I'm almost inactive here since last month so I don't think I pissed you off. You are down-voting my recent messages since yesterday
thatraja
My Tip/Tricks
My Dad had a Heart Attack on this day so don't...
All these are my opinions. Different people. different way of thinking. I am no one to judge others - Chandru
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