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we have looking for the way favorxx2-Aug-09 0:36 favorxx 2-Aug-09 0:36  we have looking for the way for ui design, in this area, we do little. graphic and UI design JimmyRopes31-Jul-09 13:42 JimmyRopes 31-Jul-09 13:42  I have never met a University graduate who didn't think that they could teach, or a developer who didn't think they could design a UI. In reality there are very few people who can do either very well. Simply Elegant Designs JimmyRopes Designs Think inside the box! ProActive Secure Systems I'm on-line therefore I am. JimmyRopes UI's made for who? Rainer Skerra30-Jul-09 5:37 Rainer Skerra 30-Jul-09 5:37  I'm an old COBOL programmer who was asked about 20 years ago which operating system will be used in future - DOS text based or Windows graphical systems. My answer was graphical: The joke was on me. "Nobody wants that in professional systems." was the overall opinion. Now who was right? But, to answer the actual question: I create the interfaces myself in a manner, that they can be looked at as "sort of" character based: That is readable and easy to use by operators who don't have eagle eyes looking at 9 point character sizes on a 1280 x 1024 screen - I use 14+, and questionary, suggestive entries and searches instead of drop downs in long lists. Reducing the entries and options to a necessary minimum and having to do with rugged environments reducing the need of a mouse (today's optical mice are nice yet). But, as I said, I'm an old COBOL programmer. UI and Design are 2 different things... AlexCode29-Jul-09 6:06 AlexCode 29-Jul-09 6:06  We do the layout and contract someone else to do the graphical part of it. So, no one is working with Photoshop here, just plain VS 2008 Not all coders are bad at UI Grav-Vt29-Jul-09 3:17 Grav-Vt 29-Jul-09 3:17  Perhaps I am be the odd one in this; however, my background was in fine/graphic art as well as coding; so I enjoy launching Photoshop or Illustrator for some UI design. Often this presents difficulties for me since clients have difficulty believing this until I reveal my portfolio and other coders see no value in UI design beyond the drag-and-drop (then again, a good coder does not use the designer window; I wish I could disable it). Re: Not all coders are bad at UI Mycroft Holmes31-Jul-09 12:49 Mycroft Holmes 31-Jul-09 12:49  Grav-Vt wrote: Not all coders are bad at UI This is so true, some, not many, are excellent at GUI design. While I admire the results they get I don't envy them the work. I am continually astonished at the number of developers, not coders, but developers who are artists of some description. Never underestimate the power of human stupidity RAH missed one - we have someone in house who does the work and stinks at it. Donsw29-Jul-09 1:11 Donsw 29-Jul-09 1:11  we have someone in house who does the work and stinks at it. this person wants to validate all ui changes and what comes out it not the best. Every screen looks busy, too complicated. cheers, Donsw My Recent Article : Backup of Data files - Full and Incremental the color blind draws the icons peterchen28-Jul-09 23:45 peterchen 28-Jul-09 23:45  unless we find a student or intern. Don't attribute to stupidity what can be equally well explained by buerocracy. My latest article | Linkify!| FoldWithUs! | sighist Graphic design and UI design aren't the same... Indivara28-Jul-09 14:44 Indivara 28-Jul-09 14:44  ...are they? I mean, I (the developer) can design the UI layout fairly well (easy to use, keyboard shortcuts provided, layout not too complicated, etc), but the icons & bitmaps that I draw look like... OK you don't want to know what they look like Department Policy: You made it, you do it's make-up Josh.Hetland28-Jul-09 11:18 Josh.Hetland 28-Jul-09 11:18  These are all internal applications, several don't even get (or didn't need at least) UI's Usually just a status/log window and a logo Unfortunately I made the mistake of raising my hand when they asked if anyone knew how to use Photoshop though. So I end up making most of the custom buttons, borders, etc and dressing up the logos. I also ended up making the technical documentation templates due to my ability to use...... MS Word (not sure how I was the only one capably of handling that little feat) Hahahahaha nsimeonov28-Jul-09 7:04 nsimeonov 28-Jul-09 7:04  I like the last answer: I have no idea what happens in our organisation So damn true in most big companies... Re: Hahahahaha W∴ Balboos, GHB28-Jul-09 7:21 W∴ Balboos, GHB 28-Jul-09 7:21  Organization? We Don't Need No Stinkin' Organization! "The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein "As far as we know, our computer has never had an undetected error." - Weisert "It's a sad state of affairs, indeed, when you start reading my tag lines for some sort of enlightenment. Sadder still, if that's where you need to find it." - Balboos HaGadol Re: Hahahahaha thrakazog30-Jul-09 5:09 thrakazog 30-Jul-09 5:09  nsimeonov wrote: most big companies Also surprisingly true in small companies. this is my big problem mheidari28-Jul-09 3:57 mheidari 28-Jul-09 3:57  always when i wrote my project in my company, this is one of the most time subversive thinks that i have to do. but this is my task and no anyone can help me anywhere   If you think you has fallen out of an elephant's nose ; I make you a donkey UI importance - based on my experience. Mauro Gagna28-Jul-09 2:03 Mauro Gagna 28-Jul-09 2:03  The importance of the UI design, based on my experience in years of developer is that: I have 2 cases, we work hard developing some app and give to the customer the first release: 1 - The program have a super logic, with some bugs, and an ugly UI. 2 - The program have a poor logic, with many bugs, and nice or beatuiful UI. In the first case, the customer said: "this program is a piece of s&%t, get out of sight?? " In the second case, the customer said: "nice work!, I found some errors, can you fix them?, please. " May be you think "He's mad", but i'm not the only one. Re: UI importance - based on my experience. That's Aragon29-Jul-09 3:42 That's Aragon 29-Jul-09 3:42  This is really happening man, look and feel of the any site must be excellent. 5 from me. Regards myself pimb228-Jul-09 1:48 pimb2 28-Jul-09 1:48  I am a hobby programmer and actually UI design is the aspect I like most Re: myself Xmen Real 28-Jul-09 16:48 Xmen Real 28-Jul-09 16:48  +1 TVMU^P[[IGIOQHG^JSH`A#@`RFJ\c^JPL>;"[,*/|+&WLEZGc`AFXc!L %^]*IRXD#@GKCQ`R\^SF_WcHbORY87֦ʻ6ϣN8ȤBcRAV\Z^&SU~%CSWQ@#2 W_AD`EPABIKRDFVS)EVLQK)JKQUFK[M`UKs*$GwU#QDXBER@CBN% R0~53%eYrd8mt^7Z6]iTF+(EWfJ9zaK-i’TV.C\y<pŠjxsg-b$f4ia> ----------------------------------------------- 128 bit encrypted signature, crack if you can Re: myself Narvius28-Jul-09 22:48 Narvius 28-Jul-09 22:48  I'm also a hobby programmer, and whenever I know that within the next ten minutes I'll have to start making some graphics, I suddenly decide that it's "time to get a life". I just can't stand it... Re: myself reverseenergy4-Aug-09 15:06 reverseenergy 4-Aug-09 15:06  agreed this is one of my favorite parts of building applications... My site: Reverse Energy - The Future is Before You I like UI design Paul Darlington27-Jul-09 21:09 Paul Darlington 27-Jul-09 21:09  Although I am a developer I enjoy UI and graphics. I answered ‘the developer does it’ because in my case I do. My hobbies include painting (pictures) glass engraving and other graphic pursuits so I do have some experience with colours, composition and so forth. I do not think I am good enough, or lucky enough, to try and make a living at it so I stick to cutting code but, for me, it is really nice to develop graphics as well as the source. half and half Almighty Bob27-Jul-09 8:00 Almighty Bob 27-Jul-09 8:00  Developer does the UI (windows), artist does application graphics (windows & web) and web designs for web based apps. my super duper cool website Re: half and half Elrond27-Jul-09 21:35 Elrond 27-Jul-09 21:35  A bit similar in our case. For the UI, the developer does it. When it comes to graphics, icons, ... our technical writer becomes the expert as he has some talents there. Thankfully, professional UI designers Nemanja Trifunovic27-Jul-09 4:32 Nemanja Trifunovic 27-Jul-09 4:32  Sometimes they propose designs that are very expensive to develop so developers' input is also required, but I am very happy I don't have to design icons or pick colors Programming Blog utf8-cpp UI Design is really a Difficult and Intelligence task koolprasad200327-Jul-09 2:06 koolprasad2003 27-Jul-09 2:06  Hi there in all organization there is either UI Designer or the developer/programmer itself design the UI but believe really it needs a Good environment, Good thinking because user/client don't see what u code but see what u design and how it looks ?? the design/UI shows the Quality of our product... so i think it is much difficult task.... cheers for UI Designer... No doubt the applicaiton is TEAM WORK in which all Designer/Progrmmer/QC's and all releated person make good contribute. - regards If the message is useful for U then please Rate This message... Be a good listener...Because Opprtunity knoughts softly...N-Joy

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