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Re: There is a reason we have so many languages... John M. Drescher13-Apr-09 11:45 John M. Drescher 13-Apr-09 11:45  Collin Jasnoch wrote: But sometimes using a nail gun to hang a picture frame will do more damage than good. Good point. John Re: There is a reason we have so many languages... ely_bob13-Apr-09 18:05 ely_bob 13-Apr-09 18:05  A skilled craftsman can make a house with only a few tools, and yes it is usually built better then someone using power tools.(I've built a few things in my time ) However if your building a trailer house which needn't pass the test of time (the homeless people need a trailer NOW!) then you build it with power tools. In this time of disposable... everything, there is becoming less need for hand drills (even though they make a smoother hole) and more need for drill presses (just put the hole here). Operating systems - built by stable language. Most short life cycle Software - MegaLanguage. High End Long Life Software - built by some stable language. Cell Phone apps. - MegaLanguage. I would hate to be the one to rewrite all the molecular modeling software, however it could greatly benefit by an update into a functional language. But there are only a handful of people in the WORLD who do this type of programming, and they do it with hand tools, love, and a lot of coffee. So to them it is Art. Fewer languages, but not a single one Nemanja Trifunovic13-Apr-09 4:03 Nemanja Trifunovic 13-Apr-09 4:03  Ideally, we should have fewer languages. Seriously, what is a difference between VB and C#? However, I can't imagine a single language that would be good for all programming scenarios: for instance a system language needs to be close to hardware (think C), but a web scripting language needs to be as far from hardware as possible (JavaScript). Programming Blog utf8-cpp Re: Fewer languages, but not a single one Kamarey13-Apr-09 5:09 Kamarey 13-Apr-09 5:09  Lets say there is a such language, will you use other ones? Re: Fewer languages, but not a single one Shog913-Apr-09 5:13 Shog9 13-Apr-09 5:13  If there was a perfect food, would you eat anything else? Re: Fewer languages, but not a single one Rama Krishna Vavilala13-Apr-09 5:19 Rama Krishna Vavilala 13-Apr-09 5:19  Grape Ice Cream is perfect for the first day. But after you eat it a few times you long for plain vanilla ice cream. Re: Fewer languages, but not a single one Shog913-Apr-09 5:24 Shog9 13-Apr-09 5:24  Ah, so you made it then! Yeah, it's definitely best fresh, and in small doses. Re: Fewer languages, but not a single one Kamarey13-Apr-09 5:43 Kamarey 13-Apr-09 5:43  continue your thoughts: f**k off standards! lets everyone will make things different. It's so cool if there were 100 browsers and it's so interesting to write html for everyone of them! Re: Fewer languages, but not a single one Shog913-Apr-09 5:45 Shog9 13-Apr-09 5:45  Not sure how that follows from what i wrote... Re: Fewer languages, but not a single one Nemanja Trifunovic13-Apr-09 5:34 Nemanja Trifunovic 13-Apr-09 5:34  Kamarey wrote: Lets say there is a such language One that is close to the hardware and far from it at the same time? Programming Blog utf8-cpp Re: Fewer languages, but not a single one Mladen Janković13-Apr-09 14:47 Mladen Janković 13-Apr-09 14:47  I would, but frankly speaking I don't think we'll be able to use it. Since its mere existence would prove that all principles of logic known to humans are unsustainable, which would cause World War X and total destruction of planet Earth. Heck, forget about us and Earth, whole universe would collapse killing all living forms (including Bob) in the process! [Genetic Algorithm Library] "Fewer languages" can't happen PIEBALDconsult13-Apr-09 3:59 PIEBALDconsult 13-Apr-09 3:59  Languages may fall into disuse, but they don't cease to exist. Things that were written in languages that are now "dead" are still around even though maybe no one can understand them. Furthermore, a language exists once it has been defined, even if no one uses it and, in the case of programming languages, even if no compiler or interpreter exists for it. While I agree that the use of fewer languages in active development projects is a good thing, I could not choose "We should work towards far fewer languages". So I voted for "It should stay as it is now"; whereby if a language is expressive and easy to use and is useful across a broad range of application domains, then it may supercede several other languages. (Language Darwinism ) Plus, I disagree with the "s" at the end of "toward". Re: "Fewer languages" can't happen Rob Grainger13-Apr-09 22:51 Rob Grainger 13-Apr-09 22:51  I think the 's' should remain, but be followed by the word "having"... We should work towards having far fewer languages. It won't happen nor is it neccesary SimonRigby13-Apr-09 3:56 SimonRigby 13-Apr-09 3:56  One word .. Legacy The only thing unpredictable about me is just how predictable I'm going to be. More languages = more problems Kamarey13-Apr-09 3:36 Kamarey 13-Apr-09 3:36  Ideally there should be one language only, not meter if it's the programming one or other. What's bad if everyone understands everyone? Re: More languages = more problems SimonRigby13-Apr-09 3:55 SimonRigby 13-Apr-09 3:55  Surely that's More Languages == More Problems The only thing unpredictable about me is just how predictable I'm going to be. Re: More languages = more problems chaiguy133713-Apr-09 5:23 chaiguy1337 13-Apr-09 5:23  Perhaps it's More Languages => More Problems. Sad but true: 4/3 of Americans have difficulty with simple fractions. There are 10 types of people in this world: those who understand binary and those who don't. {o,o}.oO( Check out my blog! ) |)””’)          http://pihole.org/ -”-”- Re: More languages = more problems PIEBALDconsult13-Apr-09 4:04 PIEBALDconsult 13-Apr-09 4:04  That's backward; More Problems == More Languages Re: More languages = more problems Ware@Work13-Apr-09 4:24 Ware@Work 13-Apr-09 4:24  Just because someone wrote something in the language I know doesn't mean I will understand it. WarePhreak Programmers are tools to convert caffiene to code. Re: More languages = more problems Kamarey13-Apr-09 5:07 Kamarey 13-Apr-09 5:07  But is someone wrote in language you don't know, this does mean you won't understand it. Re: More languages = more problems Ware@Work13-Apr-09 6:04 Ware@Work 13-Apr-09 6:04  So I learn a new language. Most of it is syntax anyways or concepts peculiar to the strength of that language. Most of programming is applying the same general concepts (not language specific) over and over to solve each problem. WarePhreak Programmers are tools to convert caffiene to code. Re: More languages = more problems Mladen Janković13-Apr-09 14:59 Mladen Janković 13-Apr-09 14:59  Ideally we should live in the perfect world in which we don't need programming languages at all and where we can make things work the way we want simply by looking at them. But then again we don't live in such world, so we have many programming (as well as natural) languages and everybody can choose the one (or few) that (s)he likes or fulfills the needs. [Genetic Algorithm Library] Real programmers code in 1s and 0s Emil - Gabriel13-Apr-09 2:37 Emil - Gabriel 13-Apr-09 2:37  So no more high level programming languages! Just assembly. Re: Real programmers code in 1s and 0s miltongil13-Apr-09 8:42 miltongil 13-Apr-09 8:42  I belive that 1s and 0s is binary not assembly but who knows not me. Yefsssss, let me see the ++ Re: Real programmers code in 1s and 0s Emil - Gabriel13-Apr-09 8:48 Emil - Gabriel 13-Apr-09 8:48  yeah, but assembly is the closest thing to 1s and 0s that i understand!

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