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hi all,
im trying to get MCTS in VS2008.and trying to get a book or other resource that maybe helpfull.is anyone have the same situation like me.
and is it fit to talk about it inside this forum
thnx
Yudi
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Cyhop wrote: and is it fit to talk about it inside this forum
You've picked the right forum.
Cyhop wrote: is anyone have the same situation like me
Sorry - no. I really have no time for these qualifications. I'd rather hire somebody with proven experience, but please don't let me put you off. This is just my preference and shouldn't affect the way you go. I've just had bad experiences hiring somebody with MS certification when it turned out that they didn't have the necessary skills to back it up; it just leaves a sour taste with me. If you have the practical skills to back the qualification up then good luck.
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Pete O'Hanlon wrote: MS certification
I've wondered about those, coupling one along with my dual degrees.
"The clue train passed his station without stopping." - John Simmons / outlaw programmer
"Real programmers just throw a bunch of 1s and 0s at the computer to see what sticks" - Pete O'Hanlon
"Not only do you continue to babble nonsense, you can't even correctly remember the nonsense you babbled just minutes ago." - Rob Graham
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hi paul,
lol...,thnx you for your reply.anyway,just want to make me more confidence,that why i try to get that "MCTS".this is could be another preference for IT job,but it not must.doing the real world programming and make mony for that probably the good way is it.......
Yudi
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hi pete,
im understand about your preference  ,but just to make some confidence when im dealing with someone else.im just have practical skills along with my experience(probably more that 10 year DIY developer and programer) as my hobbies,so...i've plan this "MCTS" as my study.
last hope is just make money for all this stuff mate....,
anyway thx to all concern about me and this
sincere
Yudi
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I've already gotten my BS in Computer Information Systems. I have a full-time developer job and my company is willing to pay for more training if it will help me do my job better. My main development environment is Visual Studio 2003, 2005 and I mostly develop in C# .NET. I have been as this job for more than a year so I don't have years of experience. What kind of training will prove to be worthwhile? I've read a lot that certifications are becoming less and less important to companies. Are developer conferences good to attend? I've never been to one. Does any one have any other suggestions?
B Rizzle E TTizzle Nemizzle
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bn3m wrote: What kind of training will prove to be worthwhile?
Which areas do you need to improve? What are you about to start work on that you don't understand yet?
bn3m wrote: I've read a lot that certifications are becoming less and less important to companies
It depends on the company. If the company is a Microsoft Partner then the certifications will be important.
bn3m wrote: Are developer conferences good to attend?
Yes. Also look for local user groups.
bn3m wrote: Does any one have any other suggestions?
Read about software development. Buy books on the subject. Keep learning.
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Colin has good suggestions and I'd follow them. Do also keep up on the latest new, emerging technologies, learn how to use them, and make yourself marketable
bn3m wrote: Are developer conferences good to attend? I've never been to one.
I went to the VS2008 product launch from Microsoft in April and learned quite a bit about SQL Server 2008, and it was worth my while. Keep an eye out for events like this, some are free, which is cool.
"The clue train passed his station without stopping." - John Simmons / outlaw programmer
"Real programmers just throw a bunch of 1s and 0s at the computer to see what sticks" - Pete O'Hanlon
"Not only do you continue to babble nonsense, you can't even correctly remember the nonsense you babbled just minutes ago." - Rob Graham
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Hi. I would like to find a VB.Net job board, hopefully run by developers instead of recruiters  I was dissapointed when I saw how few jobs were posted on this site. CodeProject is my favorite VB.Net site, I usually look here first for programming solutions.. Is there a VBJobProject?? 
Thanks!
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pa28140 wrote: I was dissapointed when I saw how few jobs were posted on this site
Give it time. It is a new feature.
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pa28140 wrote: would like to find a VB.Net job board, hopefully run by developers instead of recruiters
Good luck.
pa28140 wrote: saw how few jobs were posted on this site. CodeProject is my favorite VB.Net site
Like Colin said, give it some time. It is a new feature that will likely catch up to speed quickly.
"The clue train passed his station without stopping." - John Simmons / outlaw programmer
"Real programmers just throw a bunch of 1s and 0s at the computer to see what sticks" - Pete O'Hanlon
"Not only do you continue to babble nonsense, you can't even correctly remember the nonsense you babbled just minutes ago." - Rob Graham
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My colleague and friend Shawna McAlearney (smcalearney@cxo.com) is writing an article about managing tech workers for CIO.com. Could you help her out?
"How tech-savvy does your manager need to be to manage you effectively? For example, does s/he need actual development knowledge? What top three skills MUST s/he have to be effective?"
You can reply to me publicly or privately, but it'd also help if you cc'ed Shawna. If she quotes you, she'll need some "who the heck is this?" info too, such as your name and current title.
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A chair, a whip and a big top hat.
"If you reward everyone, there will not be enough to go around, so you offer a reward to one in order to encourage everyone."
Mei Yaochen in the 'Doing Battle' section of Sun Tzu's: Art of War.
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Ha!
Well here's what other techies had to say...
Does a Tech Manager Need to Be Tech-Savvy?
To listen to the techies, any IT manager ought to have deep technical knowledge about everything in the knowledge domain, whether it's network performance or code optimization. Or so the prevailing wisdom goes. When push comes to shove, though, your techies would far prefer that you fine-tune your management skills than compete with them on technical know-how.
http://www.cio.com/article/447783
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eschindler wrote: IT manager ought to have deep technical knowledge about everything in the knowledge domain
Not just knowledge, but accurate knowledge, if I may add.
"The clue train passed his station without stopping." - John Simmons / outlaw programmer
"Real programmers just throw a bunch of 1s and 0s at the computer to see what sticks" - Pete O'Hanlon
"Not only do you continue to babble nonsense, you can't even correctly remember the nonsense you babbled just minutes ago." - Rob Graham
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how can I get started as a professional programmer ? help me.
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Well, you should gain a good grounding in the basics of programming. You will need to choose a language/area to learn, and try to pick up as much as possible about it. Read a lot. Try a lot of examples and read a lot more. A good education is a really good idea. With the advent of the internet, there is more opportunity for you to contribute to open source projects which are a good way to prove your coding "chops" and this helps to impress prospective employers.
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I'm currently working for a small business of about 18 people. The company is a sole proprietorship, and the owner works here everyday. I do a combination of software development and IT, and I am the only employee here with those responsibilities, and the skills to perform them.
As you might expect, the owner and the manager know very little about development and IT. Even so, I am given very little latitude in which to do my job. The owner is especially hostile toward my solutions and ideas. However, I am generally held responsible for when things fail, even if I have specifically forewarned him of an issue that needed attention.
Is this typical of small businesses? How do you deal with bosses (or clients) who want to either micro-manage every aspect of what you do, even when they don't understand it, or ask you for results while vetoing your proposals?
As an example, I have to develop our internal software. It is a poorly designed mess of Access and VBA code, both from a business and programmer perspective. Whenever I am requested to make a change, I am never presented with the goal or problem. I am never given requirements for changes. Instead I am told what changes to implement, on the order of "add three new buttons, one green, one red, one blue!". They never seem to want to talk about what they are trying to accomplish, and get frustrated with me when I try to understand the "big picture". Often, what they suggest isn't even a viable solution.
How can I get them onto a more reasonable development model, where they present me with requirements or the business problem they are looking to solve, and I come up with the best solution, that works with our data?
One the one hand, I feel like I am paid to do what they ask me to do, but on the other hand, I feel like, as their DBA, I am also responsible for the data, and as their developer, responsible that their software function properly.
I doubt it's an issue of trust -- I have keys and full physical access to the property 24/7. They also understand that I have full access to and control of their data, even confidential data, and why I need it. They trust that I don't snoop through private records, even though I have the ability to. This is pretty usual for System Administrators.
From what I understand, this is not an uncommon small business situation. How do others deal with it?
Thanks for reading!
--Joshua
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I have worked for small companies before. There are a couple of things to get out of the way first, in my opinion.
Are you really happy there?
My experience is that you can't make them or get them to change their minds or influence there ability to make the correct decision for any number of reasons namely they think they're right all the time. This sounds like a very controling environment. I wouldn't try and convince them. They have to want to change and mean it and that's the big part. Without that part it's pointless to try. You'll be fighting an uphill battle with no reason to.
If you're not happy, which it sounds like you're not, I'd update my resume and start looking.
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I really do like working here. It's a very comfortable environment, almost familial. On a personal level, it's a great job. My frustration is mostly on a professional level -- and while it still happens sometimes, I try not to let the work frustrations spill over into personal frustrations. I understand they're doing what they think is best for the business, and try not to take it personally. Sometimes it happens, though.
I feel comfortable doing the technical stuff, but I feel very inexperienced dealing with management/clients. I was mostly wondering how do others deal with it? I might just be going about things entirely the wrong way. I can find a million code samples, but I can't find much on the communication side of development.
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Arterion wrote: ask you for results while vetoing your proposals?
Show them that what you proposed could fix the problem, and throw the failure back onto them for vetoing it.
"The clue train passed his station without stopping." - John Simmons / outlaw programmer
"Real programmers just throw a bunch of 1s and 0s at the computer to see what sticks" - Pete O'Hanlon
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Joshua
This sounds like you're dealing with a bad case of Not Invented Here syndrome combined with a heavy emotional investment in the current systems. On one hand you're faced with the fact that company's aren't interested in rewriting code if what they've got currently works. On the other hand, you have a situation where the current codebase is becoming increasingly unweildy.
I'm not going to give you advice. Ultimately, this is your problem and you have to decide what you need to do. I suspect that you already know what you want to do, and what you are looking for is external validation of your opinion. Bottom line - it's up to you how you deal with this; whether you talk to the owner to try to understand his hostility or you walk - this is your decision and your decision alone.
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Thanks for your straightforward reply, Pete! I really appreciate that.
I know when most people ask for advice, they are just looking for validation. I really don't know what I want to do. I'd like to try to find a way to work this out. I was more looking for tips on people skills -- something computer guys aren't always so good at. If you're freelance, how do you deal with difficult or stubborn clients? How do you handle clueless managers? Is the grass going to be any greener on the other side, or is this just one of the things you have to learn to deal with as a developer?
In the end, there may be no resolution. But I admit that I feel very inexperienced as far as dealing with business-people who are trying to get software designed. I was hoping to pull from the experience of others here. I feel completely comfortable doing the development, but it's the "people" side of things that's got my stymied. The software is the easy part, but the communication, now that's something they don't teach you! 
-Joshua
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Arterion wrote: was more looking for tips on people skills -- something computer guys aren't always so good at
I'm on the other side. I'm the business owner.
Ok - I'm going to do what I said I wouldn't and give you some advice. You need to speak to the owner and find out why he's hostile to change. It could be that he's not aware of what you can do for him - or it could be that he has a valid reason (and I suspect it'll come down to cost) why he doesn't want to reimplement things.
The only way you can move forward from this is to talk to him, and get an understanding of his opinions and reasonings. Along the way, hopefully, you'll help him to understand your position and concerns. Be prepared when you talk to him - don't be pushy or aggressive and be honest with him, and keep it friendly. Don't give him ultimatums. If he's in any way reasonable, then this could be a very productive session for both of you.
I hope this helps and good luck.
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Take Pete's advice, what you have brought up here is what you need to say to the management. It comes down to trust, not in your integrity but in your professional competance, do they trust you to make the right design/technical decision for the organisation. This needs to be in their face, not confronting it will only deepen you problem.
BTW be prepared to move on, management do NOT like to be confronted, especially mediocre managers but if you don't do it the problem will grind your creative abilities to nothing (one of the saddest things to see). I have been in this exact position, it is the only contract from which I have been sacked in 15 years of contracting.
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity
RAH
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