Design and Architecture

Re: Help with a inheritance best practices question

19-May-08 4:51

turnergg wrote:
Am I way off base here?

No. Many patterns have overlapping applications. I have found that using one at all reduces your technical debt significantly. Unless peoples lives hang in the balance I don't waste a lot of time worrying over which pattern is the absolute best to use in a specific scenario.

led mike

Tim Yen24-May-08 19:40

Tim Yen

24-May-08 19:40

chain of responsibility is one possibly.

for your GPSPing class so that you can add new GPS inputs easily

Tim Yen

Decalring global variable in VBA editor.

raja baireddy17-May-08 2:31

raja baireddy

17-May-08 2:31

Hi,

How can i declare a global variable in VBA editor.
I have tried with global and public key words. It is throwing error.
Can any one help me.

~Raja Baireddy

Re: Decalring global variable in VBA editor.

Pete O'Hanlon17-May-08 8:46

Pete O'Hanlon

17-May-08 8:46

I must not be sarcastic.
I must not be sarcastic.
I must not be ....

Ok - now that I've got myself into my happy place, please don't post things in the wrong forums. You'll only set off the attack hamsters. This is the Design and Architecture forum, not the mucking around in a sh!tty VBA forum. Now please, pick a more appropriate one. Oh wait, if I follow your name around am I going to find that you've cross posted? I hope not.

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Re: Decalring global variable in VBA editor.

led mike19-May-08 4:43

tracking sales of electronic pump machines

19-May-08 4:43

Pete O'Hanlon wrote:
This is the Design and Architecture forum, not the mucking around in a sh!tty VBA forum.

LMAO Thanks for that early Monday morning laugh Pete!

led mike

mickeyen17-May-08 2:16

mickeyen

17-May-08 2:16

Hi,
A Filling Station manager wants me to build an application that will track/record the sales of fuel(preferably, as entered by the staff) from the electronic fuel meter pump machines. He wants the tracking to be indicated LIVE in the application which is hosted by a computer remotely(in the same station).
To handle this, what should be the design architecture, development strategy, deployment process and security considerations I should implement?

I will appreciate any ideas and help rendered. Thanks in advance.

led mike19-May-08 5:05

19-May-08 5:05

First, they don't already have that? WTF

Second, how can a Filling Station manager afford to pay to have a system like that built?

As for strategy I would start with finding out what interface the pumps have.

led mike

mickeyen25-May-08 15:33

mickeyen

25-May-08 15:33

Thats right led mike. And thanks alot for the vital information.
But I have also had a thought for it in terms of strategey and it only involves building a custom fuel pump that is (say 80%) controlled the application based on the given specifications. This is my greatest worry because it solely depends on my filling station manager's pocket as you've said. Well, keeping that aside, check out my drafted solution case study...

There is already an existing digital pump that works in a way such that the attendant enters the volume value or cash value of fuel to be pumped from a digital numeric pad and completes entry by pressing a button in that pad which raises an event to send instruction of what is to be displayed on the pump screen (lets say INST-D), and another instruction to start pumping (lets call that INST-P) and lets call the process on sending instruction as INST-S.

For INST-P, I want to assume that volume of fuel pumped is determined by time given for pump pressure allowed e.g if at a certain pressure, it takes 2 seconds to pump 1 litre, then pressure time allowed to pump 10 litres will be 20 seconds. I'm not sure of this specification but I believe this INST-P is specific to pump manufacturers. Lets just use my speculation for this case study.

For INST-D, I guess that the voume to be pumped is written on a memory from which it is read for display. And for INST-P, the calculated time value required for pumping is also written to another memory in order to know when to stop pumping.

Now, I want to take advantage of the INST-S, INST-D and INST-P because they are already existing(to aid pump manufacturers) and event driven(to aid my application call) Throughout this study, application calls on any of these 3 instruction calls will raise their corresponding event which also uses their existing corresponding memories; as if it were from the attendant. I ONLY just need the custom pump to be built in such a way to fit the whole solution.
So, if the fuel pump manufacturers COULD build a custom fuel pump having the following extra features...

a) an in-built pump ID which is manufacturer generated and written to device-slot A which is readonly (see sixth feature).
b) an in-built container or vessel(say 23 litres for this case study) that is connected directly to fuel source.
c) a redirected pipe/pump that connects the container to the attendant's output fuel nozzle.
d) a sensor/detector attached to container that determines the volume left in the container; or that gets the current container weight(from which the volume can be calculated). e.g digital/electronic scale or something else suitable for the manufacturer. Let me call that "volume detector"(VOL-DET). This value could be read by the PC via another means but for the purpose of this case study lets assume it should continuously write its value to device-slot C(see sixth feature).
e) 3 pump screen displays-1(top), 2(middle), 3(bottom).
f) a PC-accessible read/write memory device(similar to K74), having full capability of the existing INST-S, INST-D and INST-P, along with 1 readonly memory and 5 read/write memories. This device will be in-built with the pump. Its access mode could be wireless but I prefer it to be serially connected like the K74, wired out via underground and then to the PC, so as to avoid wave obstruction and improve optimization. The memory names and functions are:
slot A = pump ID(which manufacturer generated and readonly).
slot B = litre value to be pumped
slot C = value of VOL-DET

And the whole process action goes like this...
1) after Application(App) startup, designated pump ID modules are opened which does a previous transaction check(not discussed here) and then listens to their respective slot B(continuous reading of slot B).
2)now attendant enters 25 litres for sale and presses button to instruct fuel pump...
--> instead of instructing the fuel pump to pump 25 litres directly, 25 is written to slot B using INST-S. And display-3 is then made to display "SALE IN PROGRESS..." using INST-D.
3)App detects change in slot B, gets value(25), disable entry for another sale and determines phases for the current sale. In this case, it will be 2 phases because of the container size.
4)App uses INST-P to fill container with 20 litres(first destination). And display-2 is made to display "PUMPING 1/2" for example.
5)App now uses INST-P to empty container by pumping from the container to the attendant's output fuel nozzle(second destination). Display-2 is made to display "NOW SELLING..." for example, and display-1 is made to dispaly the litres pumped using INST-D.
6)Once slot C reads value indicating supposed zero value or INST-P finishes(end of step 5), App uses INST-P to fill container with 5 litres while Display-2 is made to display "PUMPING 2/2" afterwhich, step 5 is repeated.
7)Display-3 or both Display-2 and 3 is now made to display "SALE
COMPLETED" for example using the regular INST-D. Other instruction clean-ups for the current transaction will now be performed before enabling entry for the next sale.

Thats it! I know there are observations and questions for this case study. For instance, each sale now takes double the time of regular sale, but that can be relatively beaten by increasing the pressure rate to fill the container as desired by the manufacturer.

Ok, so far, have I been making sense? or what do you think?

Mark Churchill10-Jun-08 21:07

Mark Churchill

10-Jun-08 21:07

I didn't read much beyond the instructions to start-pumping and end-... *crash*, still pumping Wink | ;)

Generally the POS machine would authorise a certain maximum, and send this to the pump (in a prepay scenario). The hardware in the pump will handle limits, and also "nicetys" like "stop pumping when the tank is full" or "the user has pulled the hose out".

To be honest, the command set, and state diagrams for this sort of setup will be quite simple. If you are having trouble getting your head around those, then I definitely wouldnt recommend implementing a control system for volatile fluids until you have accumulated some experience with PLCs, realtime control and fail-safe design. Otherwise I can see huge explosions in your future...

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Command Pattern Implementation [modified]

mickeyen15-Jun-08 14:36

mickeyen

15-Jun-08 14:36

God Bless u Mark Churchill.
U are damn right and u have just saved someone from a burning station! Sniff | :^)

Thanks a lot and more thanks for the information shared. Big Grin | :-D

Now, to have my major worry settled, I just need to know how to connect to the POS machine in the fuel pump from a C# application and get the litre or cash values so that I can at least, record the sales of fuel for a prepay scenario. I have heard of WEPOS and POS for .NET but I don't know if that will do. I will appreciate any assistance or walk around rendered.

Just to add, secondly(minorly), I've observed something during prepay sale which i want to bring to your notice. While fuel is pumped into the vehicle, if the user holds down the inner holder of the hose nozzle at intervals, the volume of fuel released after pump or sold will be reduced! Suprisingly, I've confirmed this with sale measurements to fuel galloons. Perhaps, nozzle manufacturers might be able to build hose nozzle models that can't interrupt the volume to be dispensed. What do you think?

Anyway, thats by the way, my concern right now is how to solve my major worry as stated above. Many more thanks in advance as I look forward to hearing from soon.

Tristan Rhodes16-May-08 5:29

16-May-08 5:29

Hi Guys,

I've been working on a system for a while now, and it initially started off with a handful of functions that could be applied to it. This increased over time to around, and i split them up and put related functions into appropriate classes. These classes are now exhibiting the same problem i had initially with 100 methods in the same class. (Messy and poor cohesion)

* I Have a set of low level classes that expose all the fine grain detail.
* I have a set of high level classes that contain complex functions that manipulate the low level classes.
* The high level functions are largely simple [void Function()]. Some with a few Private utility methods.
* The high level functions generally do not call one another in the same class.
* The high level functions DO call one another in different classes.
* All High level function calls are made through a HUGE case statement atm, that is wrapped in a Logging exception handler.

Many of these functions are invoked from Menu or Hotkeys or other argument free events such as Button press.

I get the impression that this lends itself to a Command Pattern, but while i understand the concept, i can't get my head around how to implement it. (Factory? Pre-loaded Command Dictionary?)

Also, how would i go about implementing a Command Tree? i.e. where one command calls another, and so on and so forth? And would this be a reasonable thing to do?

Any Ideas?

Cheers

Tris

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modified on Friday, May 16, 2008 11:35 AM

led mike19-May-08 4:41

19-May-08 4:41

Tristan Rhodes wrote:
Also, how would i go about implementing a Command Tree? i.e. where one command calls another, and so on and so forth? And would this be a reasonable thing to do?

From my memory I think I used Observable Pattern rather than a tree. It is also possible factories were involved.

led mike

Tristan Rhodes20-May-08 1:47

20-May-08 1:47

Hi Mike,

Thanks for the reply.

I do have a number of observable components in the application and their events are handled in a centralized controller class. This class then runs the appropriate command / functionality.

(Yes i do have a factory in there as well somewhere, but it's not related to the Command chain Smile | :)

)

My concern is what to do to manage this large collection of functions and what options are available. Does the Command Pattern seem to be the way to go with this?

While i am familiar with the pattern, i'm somewhat perplexed as to how to fit it into the application. I'm not interested in commands for the purpose of Undo / Redo which is the only implementation i am familiar with.

Any further advice?

Cheers

Tris

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Carrier Bags - 21st Century Tumbleweed.

led mike20-May-08 5:38

20-May-08 5:38

Tristan Rhodes wrote:
I'm not interested in commands for the purpose of Undo / Redo which is the only implementation i am familiar with.

Not sure how to help you here. The implementation of a specific command like Undo/Redo have nothing to do with the Command Pattern. Probably the most significant benefit of the pattern is the isolation of the implementation of the commands from the implementation of the invokers. If that would be helpful to your project then you should consider using it, however:

Tristan Rhodes wrote:
I do have a number of observable components in the application and their events are handled in a centralized controller class. This class then runs the appropriate command / functionality.

That sounds like you have already centralized the implementation of your commands. Sometime interpreting design from someone else's point of view presented in text messages is not easy.

led mike

Tristan Rhodes20-May-08 6:03

20-May-08 6:03

Need a UML comment type. Big Grin | :-D

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Tristan Rhodes20-May-08 6:11

20-May-08 6:11

I did experiment with Commands a while back, but found myself doing lots of this:

ICommandExecutor cmd;

switch (cmdName)
{
    case "DeleteCurrentSite":
        cmd = new DeleteCurrentSiteCmd(container);

    case "AddNewSite":
        cmd = new AddSiteCmd(container);

    //.... lots more

}

cmd.Execute();

Which didn't solve the problem of my Mammoth case statement, nor did it provide a convenient solution for the Commands calling Commands problem. It felt like i was going in the right direction, but i got lost and had to backtrack.

Does that seem reasonable?

Cheers

Tris

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led mike20-May-08 6:30

20-May-08 6:30

Tristan Rhodes wrote:
Does that seem reasonable?

using a switch statement? Almost never. Commands should be stored in a Map or Dictionary.

led mike

Tristan Rhodes20-May-08 6:53

20-May-08 6:53

Bingo!

Thankyou, that's exactly what i've been angling for.

So, something like:

public ICommandExecutor GetCommand(string name)
{
    if (_cmdDictionary.ContainsKey(name) == false)
        _cmdDictionary.Add(name, _commandFactory.GetCommand(name));

    return _cmdDictionary[name];
}

What would you have to do to handle commands which have parameters? Or would that be a symptom of bad design?

Cheers!

Tris

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led mike20-May-08 7:30

OnLoad Event for Corel Draw

20-May-08 7:30

Tristan Rhodes wrote:
What would you have to do to handle commands which have parameters? Or would that be a symptom of bad design?

Have a class for arguments that is a parameter to the Execute method

ICommandExecutor::Execute( CommandArgs& args)

led mike

raja baireddy16-May-08 4:28

raja baireddy

16-May-08 4:28

Hi Everyone,
I am working with corel draw. I want to change some settings while opening the Corel Draw(Means I want to disable some tool bars and command bars).I think it is posiible in OnLoad Event.
Where can i found that Onload Event for Corel Draw. If any one have any idea on this. Please help me.

~ Raja Baireddy

Stateless server definition

AikinX15-May-08 4:17

AikinX

15-May-08 4:17

Hi, Everyone.

Can someone describe me what is the "stateless server"?

My thoughts (I still want to get an explanation about the term above):
I asked google[^].

The best definition I found is "A stateless server considers each page request independently".
So, I think, the main accent is that the stateless server doesn't do any differences between users' requests. It thinks like every request is a new, from a new user.

Let's imagine a google search server that only search functionality, a very-very simple search functionality: just go to an "indexed sites DB" for results.

Is that one a stateless? I think -- yes.
Because it doesn't bother itself with questions: "Is that user a new, what he did last time,...". It just parses the request, goes to the DB and answers. It uses no information about last requests, so "considers each page request independently".

Am I right?

Thanks, Aikin

led mike15-May-08 4:53

15-May-08 4:53

AikinX wrote:
Am I right?

Your statements are to specific.

Stateless[^]

In computer science, stateless refers to a system or protocol which does not keep a persistent state between transactions.

led mike

AikinX15-May-08 6:11

AikinX

15-May-08 6:11

Yes, I saw this definition, but it told me nothing else Smile | :)

led mike15-May-08 6:29

15-May-08 6:29

AikinX wrote:
but it told me nothing else

There is nothing else to your question. Each server is different but Stateless means Stateless, period.

led mike