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Hi CPian,
I need some advise from all great people here.
I had been into IT industries for last 6 yrs and mostly working on VC++ and desktop based application primarly. with each project lasting for 1.5 to 2 Yrs.and I have working knowledge of C#.
When I was put on the projects, the project was really in bad phase and No documentation. The only thing I was told to get this work done. With this working style , Now I can see myself running into various problems listed below
1.My reading tech and non- tech is totally stop and all the time I am thinking of project issues and totally burried under expections. I frankly tell you I do not get good sleep if there are any unresolved issues in projects and deliveries are near.
2.Since I had given the peice of code initially in my plate. Hardly I have written something from scrach, only developing certain modules, resolving design flaw, bug fixing and I cannot think of something new when somebody ask me if I can design. I am totally confused in such situations.
3.As written in 1, I am not updating my tech skills. and now in situations while applying for new job, they are asking for new skills. which I don;t have, and rectruiter thinks that I have only limited skills.
All said above, there are few good things about me which I came to know from my current and previous bosses.
1. Highest Level of commitment for work in Team.
2. A reliable person to be on project
3. Having a strong result oriented attitute.
4. A good Debugger, Strong trouble shooting skills.
I need help from all great minds on.
1. how I can overcome on my drawbacks.
2. what are possible road aheads for me. considering working of VC++. and allied areas.
3. What skills i should have if I have 6 yrs of exp to servive in Job market.
Thanks for bearing with me.and sorry for my poor english.
Regards.
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need inputs wrote: they are asking for new skills
Such as what?
"I guess it's what separates the professionals from the drag and drop, girly wirly, namby pamby, wishy washy, can't code for crap types." - Pete O'Hanlon
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Hey ,
Its good to hear all those comments from you previous bosses  , Well there is nothing wrong in what you are doing , you cannot say that you tech skills are not improving because every time you solve a problem you learn something new, which would help you further to solve problems. You should start looking out to design an application instead of coding , because you have almost 6 years of exp. now you know the major hurdle in a programming various part of an application. It does happens with every individual , the just seems to get bored with what they are doing, not a big issue, its human nature.If i can suggest you something i would say do something out of the box things which not lot of people do , go out teach somebody the programming skills you have for free , try and find solution to very common problem , it gives you satisfaction, do this along with you job .....
I know its easy to say hard to do stuff .........
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The bags aren't packed yet, the tickets haven't been booked either, and here I am about to leave my job in Australia to find new ground in Canada.
So what do I know of Canada? Well I know it's cold. (Great. That's a start). What I need to know from you is, have you worked in Canada yourself? If so, what is it like to work for the development companies in Canada? Is there a particular corporate culture I need to be aware of?
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Where are you moving to (and from where?)
My quick observations:
1. It's an interesting experience being an immigrant. You are definitely second class so things like getting a Visa card, a car loan and an apartment can be a hassle. Use the accent wisely - it will get you far.
2. It's cold. No - I mean really, really, Oh My God I Can't Believe People Live Here cold.
3. The coffee is terrible. Find a Tim Hortons and ask for a "medium regular". The richness and sugariness will start to grow on you and make up for the lack of flat whites. If you go to Toronto I know two places that make real coffee.
3a. Tim Hortons Boston Cream doughnuts are to die for. And you probably will if you have too many. But you'll die happy.
4. In companies here they work long hours and you start with 2 weeks vacation. From what I've seen this is actually detrimental to productivity because everyone's stressed out and unmotivated. At the risk of really pissing a few people off, from what I've seen and heard from friends there is a lot of "it's not my problem" and "it's not my fault" in some companies. There's a tentativeness that means you don't see many people diving in and taking responsibility. They are a cautious people who don't want to upset the status quo or cause a problem.
5. They do say oot and aboot. They will deny it. They will possibly even hunt me down and beat me up with hockey sticks but one of the greatest forms of entertainment is sitting around with Canadian friends after a few drinks listening to them get worked up about how the Americans think they say "oot and aboot". "We say oot, not oot. Are they deaf? 'Oot'. See? Nothing like 'oot'" and so on. It's great.
6. Things are cheaper than here.
6a. Things depreciated faster than here. It's a double edge sword.
7. They are a confused people. They hold on to British customs and the language with deep but haphazard passion. Think about "Tire centre" and you'll understand why.
8. They still have 1 cent peices. But not 2c peices. It's annoying
9. If you see something for 19.99 and put down a twenty you'll need another $2.80 for tax. You will scream after doing this 5 times. Add $5.60 if it's actually a sit down meal or taxi ride. Things look cheaper over there but factor in the taxes and tips and exchange rate and you'll be surprised.
10. Do not touch Molson, Labatt or any beer with a moose on it. Find a microbrew.
11. Learn some French so you can giggle like a loon when you find out what egg-nog is called.
12. Most importantly: unemployment at the moment is essentially 0. It's a job hunter's market so push hard for wages and conditions. If you're in Toronto send me an email if you're after a job 
cheers,
Chris Maunder
CodeProject.com : C++ MVP
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Chris Maunder wrote: If you're in Toronto send me an email if you're after a job
So what is your vacation policy like? 
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We have, in the past, supported our staff's request to take off a day here and there. :P
cheers,
Chris Maunder
CodeProject.com : C++ MVP
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That's good. Where do I apply and what's the salary?
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The other benefit:
Currently for two months, there is a icon change for your profile from 'User' to 'MVP'. I think this should also get one more promotion to 'Admin'. 
Vasudevan Deepak Kumar
Personal Homepage
Tech Gossips
A pessimist sees only the dark side of the clouds, and mopes; a philosopher sees both sides, and shrugs; an optimist doesn't see the clouds at all - he's walking on them. --Leonard Louis Levinson
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Let us know how you get on.
I'm an Aussie in Singapore and plan to go to Canada or the UK next year so I'll be interested to hear you get on.
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It took a while, but I finally landed a permanent software development job.
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And I'm still here! I also have a newfound respect for the definition of "cold".
Gavin Kendall / Psyphen Codewalker
http://gir.slampt.net/~gavin/
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so, i picked up a new job about 2 months ago, upgraded salary, upgraded terms, the whole deal, problem is, when i was interviewed for the job, one of the main things that made me pick it up was the level of interest promised.
in the 2 months to follow, i've written exactly 10 lines of code, and was part of a few small bits of design, other then that i find myself with little or nothing to do, and for the past 2 weeks i found myself more often then not surfing the net for hours at a time, just looking for something to read or some bit of interesting programming to experiment on.
now the question is should i be looking for a new job already? or maybe give it another few months to (maybe) pick up the pace, as i said the salary is good and the terms leave me pretty well off (and getting a 6 figure salary for sitting on my ass to watch youtube isn't that bad of a deal, it's just that i can feel my programming edge beginning to go dull)
(i forgot to mention this was not my only option for a working place, i've had several serious offers and choose to take this one based on what the team leader told me on it at the time)
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The first reaction from an outsider's point of view would be, "Wow! I wish I had such a job!", but I'm sensing you're feeling unchallenged and uninspired - which is exactly the kind of drudgery thinking that comes into play when being unemployed. You're clearly bored and yet you're getting paid to do sfa.
I've been in a situation where I had finished my work so quickly that I was waiting for everyone else to finish (such as graphics design or backend server programming) and in the end I just played games until I was needed again. It wasn't a good feeling (even though my mates reckon that was the best part of the job at the time).
So I say stay at it for the next few months. If you still feel this way then perhaps you should look at other options. You also need to consider if you're financially supporting a partner or family right now.
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I would suggest you to hang on for a while , ask your management Sr. people to give you some good and challenging work , give them a chance . If the problem still cont.. for more 2 months than switch. Mean while you can learn new thing over net and also prepare for some certification , this would help in your career too. Try and learn something which is rare or not many people do it , this would add help you to beat the competition , may be help you get a better job option.
-Regards
Bharat Jain
Phisys Software Solutions Pvt. Ltd.
bharat.jain.nagpur@gmail.com
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What is the most ideal program to learn as a beginner and as someone who is interested in data analysis, data management, and/or games? I am familiarizing myself with the literature and professional community, beginning to define short- and long-term goals, and identifying interests; however, I am unsure what to do next. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
Thank you in advance for your time.
_ani_
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_ani_ wrote: Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated
Read, take a college class or two, ask intelligent questions in the programming forums, and that is just for starters.
"I guess it's what separates the professionals from the drag and drop, girly wirly, namby pamby, wishy washy, can't code for crap types." - Pete O'Hanlon
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Had an interview in Chicago, Illinois with a big law firm at Sonnenschein Nath & Rosenthal LLP, www.sonnenschein.com, for an IT job, only to not be reimbursed for travel expenses because I was considered "local". Ok since when is being in another county, 90 miles round trip, 25 in parking, etc., "local"?
The hiring manager on the phone interview was nice enough. As for the interview I was told I was going to be given an explanation of benefits, only to have the HR person in charge not know what they were in detail, or how they worked. Then I get to the technical interview and I meet two guys who are the leads. One was very rude and didn't know anything other than that he used to work for Deloit, being full of himself and looking for the next opportunity over being loyal to his employer. How could I work for such a place?
Thus it is a place to avoid for IT!
Joe Worker
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joeworker1970 wrote: 90 miles round trip
Big deal. I used to drive that far one way to work.
"Real programmers just throw a bunch of 1s and 0s at the computer to see what sticks" - Pete O'Hanlon
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Here you go... You are a freelancer, you have an ongoing customer who gives you work every month. He needs something new developed, which is a new ground for you (needless to say it's new to the customer as well). You have to learn (read a manual/tutorial and try something out first) before you will be able to accomplish the task. You are paid an hourly rate and charge for time spent working. Should you charge for time spent learning something which you need in order to finish the task?
I couldn't find almost nothing on Google, from the results of my research there are a few ways taken by different people:
- some will charge the normal rate
- some will lower the rate
- some will not charge
- some will raise the rate
Lowering or not charging is understandable because you feel it would be not fair to charge the customer for something you can't do right now. He could hire somebody else, who already is familiar it and can produce results faster, right?
People who charge the normal rate compare it to being an employee. Every now and then you have to improve your skills and learn a new technology you will need for the next project. But the difference I see is when you are a full time employee the boss wouldn't fire you because you didn't know something, then hire somebody else to do the job, then fire him and hire you again. But freelancing is different - he can hire anybody just for this one project, can't he?
People who raise the rate... Although I know what their reasoning says, I don't quite get it. They say they raise the rate to scare off the customer who is forcing a project on them, where they don't know the technology and would have to learn. This supposedly is meant to protect the customer from wasting time and money. Wonder what happens when he agrees?
One things is certain - as a freelancer or not, you have to make a living, you gotta earn something. So, what are your thoughts? Charge for learning or not? If so, then how? Normal rate? Lower rate? Higher rate?
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What does your conscience tell you? That has to be your guide. It's no good us giving you advice if you wouldn't be morally comfortable following it.
As a customer though, I wouldn't be happy paying you for something that should take 2 weeks if it actually takes 6 weeks and I end up having to pay you for it because you spent four weeks learning it. More importantly, you wouldn't be providing an optimal solution because your work wouldn't be backed up by experience, so I would be getting hit twice here. But, as I say, it's up to you to decide how you want to proceed.
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Pete O'Hanlon wrote: It's no good us giving you advice if you wouldn't be morally comfortable following it.
If I won't be morally comfortable with something I will not follow it.
Honestly, my viewpoint is exactly the same as yours. Oh, one factor I forgot about is the usefulness of what you learn. What if the knowledge you posses by learning on this project would be useful to you on this project only? So what I want to say is you are learning something new to finish a task and then most likely never use that knowledge again. Does it change anything?
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Pawel Krakowiak wrote: Does it change anything?
If it was me, I'd say thanks but no thanks. Actually, we do have this situation from time to time when clients ask us to develop something in Java or Oracle because that's what they've got/been told to use. If I can't talk them round to using technology sets we're comfortable with, we will walk away. The only thing we would get by shafting the customer like this would be a bad name.
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Charge. Always charge.
Pull as much money out of that sucker as you can. There is no such thing as a fair price. There is only how much money the costumers is willing to pay.
Just make sure the terms (price, time to be spent) is clear from the start. Then the costumer can accept or reject.
So to answer your question: Charge if you think you can get away with it.
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Delphi4Ever wrote: Pull as much money out of that sucker as you can.
Well there's one way to maintain a long lasting business relationship! 
It is well known that it is easier to get repeat custom from an existing customer than it is to get a new customer on board. But if you want to use the model of sucking as much out of the customer as possible then having to use that extra money in persuading a new business to be your customer then go for it.
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