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I have not got a clue. But as long as the functionality is there, for $800 I can work around any differences in "user experience".
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There's also SQL Server 2005 Express, which works like MSDE, and there's a free version of the management tools for it.
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I found that the standard edition does not support multiple project debugging. If you have a lib or dll from another project in your solution, you cannot step into the source code or see any variables or something. I verified this by looking at the output of the debugger (dr watson) and it says that all the symbols are loaded, but vs says that they are not..
This is not a big issue for me, it only improves my skills of writing self debugging code 
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That sounds more like a bug than a missing feature.
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"...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001
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Extra US$800?
But at www.programmersparadise.ca I see the VS 2005 Pro Upgrade available for $648 (Canadian dollars I presume). I'm guessing the upgrade is applicable for anyone who already has an earlier VS or VC++ product (like VC++ 6). This is probably the version I'm getting after I use up my VS 2005 Pro Trial DVD (90 days).
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The upgrade price is not available if you're moving from VC6.
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"...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001
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John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote: The upgrade price is not available if you're moving from VC6.
dang, that sux
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John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote: I don't appear to need the Pro version.
The standard edition is more than enough for small shops and standalone developers. There is enough OSS available that has a better price / satisfaction rate than spending more $ on the pro edition.. 
I never thought that I would say that about OSS, but $$$ are just harder to come by. 
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And for those interested in the Standard Edition:
1) Chris says that (at least initally) they won't be able to sell it here (huge-ass bummer if you ask me). I wanted it before my Christmas vacation started, so I had to find it elsewhere.
2) I found it on Amazon.com for $262, and they are promising 1-day shipping (for an additional $17). I ordered it this morning, so we'll see...
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"...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001
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Update: According to the tracking info from Amazon, I'll have it today when I get home from work. Good price (considering), and delivery as promised.
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"...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001
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Good stuff
When you get it and have used it for a little while, would it be possible for you to inform us what a "streamlined user experience" is?
I will be waiting until the new year before I go ahead and order my copy.
"You're obviously a superstar." - Christian Graus about me - 12 Feb '03
"Obviously ??? You're definitely a superstar!!!" - mYkel - 21 Jun '04
"There's not enough blatant self-congratulatory backslapping in the world today..." - HumblePie - 21 Jun '05
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Sure thing.
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"...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001
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We just heard today that we'll be able to offer VS 2005! Woot!
Not sure on pricing or dates, but we should be getting a good deal and we're expecting we'll be able to start selling in a couple of weeks or so.
cheers,
Chris Maunder
CodeProject.com : C++ MVP
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couple weeks... I'm just surprise to see how long it is to sell VS2005. Even place like Amazon have insane 3-5 week shipping (after Christmas ?¿?).
I think they have a serious production/printing or distribution problem... usually we can buy a product the day it's released... not a few month after.
If it's not too long, I will wait to buy it from codeproject to express my satisfaction of this web site.
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Jcmorin wrote: If it's not too long, I will wait to buy it from codeproject to express my satisfaction of this web site.
Or just for a discount and a cool supporter icon!
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I asked the CP sales rep earlier, and she said that you guys wouldn't be able to offer the upgrade package from Pro 2k3 to Pro 2k5. Is that still the case?
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Too bad you don't sell MSDN as well because I would buy VS and MSDN from you. I ordered the Professional Version with MSDN from a nationally-known software outlet over three weeks ago, but Microsoft can't seem to ship this software to them so they can ship it to me. Guess MS is too busy shipping XBox's to bother with the developers like us, who put them where they are.
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[Modified at 13:40 Tuesday 6th December, 2005]
Never mind - I found the product matrix.
Chris, will the VS2005 package include an MSDN Pro subscription? Thanks,
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Will you be selling the Standard version with a dundas bundle?
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I've just checked and initially it looks like we won't have access to Standard, only Professional.  But yes, we'll still be doing the Dundas and Ultimate Toolbox bundles.
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Well, that's too bad. I was gonna buy it from CP.
I wonder why MS would place that limitation on you...
EDIT:
I found it for $262 on Amazon, and they claim I'll have it tomorrow. Wish it coulda been CP...
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"...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001
-- modified at 6:00 Thursday 8th December, 2005
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That's the one I currently plan on buying... once I have saved the pennies for it... and I can find somebody who actually sells it.
The Office tools does look very interesting and I hope to have a play with it soon.
However at the moment, I'm stuck with Express as my evaulation version. I think I'm going to need another gig of ram judging by current performance. I know my machine is 4 year old but sometimes using VS 2005 feels like I'm wading through treacle.
Michael
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Michael P Butler wrote: once I have saved the pennies for it... and I can find somebody who actually sells it.
I figured by the time they actually start selling VS2005 pro I will have saved enough money to afford it.
ZeePain! wrote: This seems like one of those programs that started small, grew incrementally, building internal pressure, and finally barfed all over its source code sneakers. Or something.
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That would be "wading through molasses" for those of us in the States, though I suspect that not many know what molasses is any more. Let's say, "wading through maple syrup" instead.
Peter Kryszak
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PeterK_ wrote: wading through maple syrup
wading through cold maple syrup
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