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Multiple platforms development KaЯl16-Jun-05 2:53 KaЯl 16-Jun-05 2:53  The Holy Grail or a Captain Ahab's quest-like? I bet for the latter. <marquee>- Not a substitute for human interaction - Fold with us! Re: Multiple platforms development RDABC23-Jun-05 5:16 RDABC 23-Jun-05 5:16  Since I can't find the poles here's my multiple OS list.:-> MFC Win32 - Visual C++ DOTNET - CSharp Linux GCC MAC OS - Carbon.C++ PIC - Microcontroller (non-os they jusr run!) WEB - Apache - PHP,Java, HTML(hand coded ), DHTML Folding For Team 32 www.overclockers.com Re: Multiple platforms development KaЯl23-Jun-05 5:24 KaЯl 23-Jun-05 5:24  So for each target you use a dedicated technology, right? <marquee>- Not a substitute for human interaction - Fold with us! Re: Multiple platforms development RDABC23-Jun-05 5:48 RDABC 23-Jun-05 5:48  Quote: So for each target you use a dedicated technology, right? Yes, I've tried to write specific functionality in classes but all the event handlers are different so I do have to maintain seperate copies. Printers have become a problem on both Win and MacOS. Even though MS provides excellant DOC-View Architecture, custom apps that use specialized rendering have to read direct from the driver to figure out all the resolution and size details. My MacOS developement down and on hold until I can figure out that printer system. Everything changed in OSX and it meant a complete rewrite. Carbon is great but printing is not very well explained or supported IMO. I just started (again) with linux and have not used CUPS since 1991 so expect to see similar issues there. When I deal with the other MicroControllers, I wrote my own compiler/assembler and I use totally different apps and code there as you mostly have not GUI or use LED and LCD displays. 'compact' framework... Tim Stubbs16-Jun-05 2:45 Tim Stubbs 16-Jun-05 2:45  I do dabble in PDA development and abhore the use of .NET in this environment - it's fat and slow - the two things that suck a lot on a mobile device with limited resources. I find myself going for the lowest of the low and the resultant code is much smaller.. Tim Stubbs JavaScript Shog913-Jun-05 11:10 Shog9 13-Jun-05 11:10  Laugh all you want, but i've written some fine scripts that work fine in both IE and the Mozilla-derivatives. It's not smooth sailing by any means, but a good deal more fun than cross-platform C... You must be careful in the forest Broken glass and rusty nails If you're to bring back something for us I have bullets for sale... Re: JavaScript ed welch14-Jun-05 6:34 ed welch 14-Jun-05 6:34  Just curious. What do you use for debugging? I know Mozilla has Venkman, but I haven't heard of anything for the other browsers. Re: JavaScript Shog914-Jun-05 7:35 Shog9 14-Jun-05 7:35  Trial & error, comments, logs... Yeah, that's a bit of a sore point still. Firefox? CodeProject? GreaseMonkey? A better Life? Re: JavaScript Alvaro Mendez14-Jun-05 11:47 Alvaro Mendez 14-Jun-05 11:47  Back in the Visual Interdev 6.0 days, client-side debugging was a breeze. Now with VS.NET I haven't gotten it to work. If anyone can offer any tips, I'll be thankful. Regards, Alvaro Victory means exit strategy, and it's important for the President to explain to us what the exit strategy is. -- GWB, 1999. Re: JavaScript Shog914-Jun-05 14:11 Shog9 14-Jun-05 14:11  If you turn on script debugging in IE, VS.NET can be sorta useful. In a "no-one used this beyond a quick checklist in QA did they?" sorta way. For me, it gets in the way more than it helps. Ave Shog9, CP-addicti te salutant! - K(arl), The Soapbox Re: JavaScript netclectic17-Jun-05 2:46 netclectic 17-Jun-05 2:46  I manually attach to the IEXPLORE.EXE process - Debug -> Processes, select IEXPLORE.EXE, click Attach button and choose Script. Then i'm able to place breakpoints, step through code, view watches and call stack etc. Windows NT crashed. I am the Blue Screen of Death. No one hears your screams. Re: JavaScript squawk17-Jun-05 18:15 squawk 17-Jun-05 18:15  Hello Alvaro, If you are developing with Visual Studio, you can use the standard debugger. You just need to add the keyword "debugger;" to your javascript and enable your browser to support debugging. In IE there is a checkbox in the advanced options. Then you step through your Javascript just like your server side code. -David Re: JavaScript RDABC23-Jun-05 5:27 RDABC 23-Jun-05 5:27  I don't use IE in general because it's a POS. A lot of people still use it so do use it to find out what blowsup on it and put in work arounds. I currently use VS7 but I'm moving web developement to Linux with brief editors that recognize Javascript and PHP tight off the OS CD install. I'll be looking for a debugger in the future and post what I find. Re: JavaScript neoanderson16-Jun-05 20:42 neoanderson 16-Jun-05 20:42  hey man tell me about how can we use java script for hacking Re: JavaScript KaЯl16-Jun-05 2:46 KaЯl 16-Jun-05 2:46  I don't know if it may help for javascript, but I begin to use eclipse[^] + the Java Development Tools as an IDE to learn Java, and as far as I can tell, it sounds promising. The "Web Standards Tools" project might fit your need. <marquee>- Not a substitute for human interaction - Fold with us! Re: JavaScript Shog916-Jun-05 4:04 Shog9 16-Jun-05 4:04  Eh, worth a try - i do like eclipse. You must be careful in the forest Broken glass and rusty nails If you're to bring back something for us I have bullets for sale... Re: JavaScript KaЯl16-Jun-05 4:15 KaЯl 16-Jun-05 4:15  Please keep us informed BTW, how does that feel to belong to the 10K+ club? <marquee>- Not a substitute for human interaction - Fold with us! Re: JavaScript Shog916-Jun-05 5:15 Shog9 16-Jun-05 5:15  K(arl) wrote: BTW, how does that feel to belong to the 10K+ club? The world is a better place now... Ave Shog9, CP-addicti te salutant! - K(arl), The Soapbox always been a fan of QT Almighty Bob13-Jun-05 6:09 Almighty Bob 13-Jun-05 6:09  which works well on both windows and linux. Trolltech's QT /bb|[^b]{2}/ Re: always been a fan of QT Anton Mikhalyov15-Jun-05 8:36 Anton Mikhalyov 15-Jun-05 8:36  It crossplatform but sooo slow I think that wxWidgets has more advantages Re: always been a fan of QT Almighty Bob15-Jun-05 9:04 Almighty Bob 15-Jun-05 9:04  qt produces native windows mate. it doesnt run under any other runtime except the native windowing system, so you must be thinking of something else. /bb|[^b]{2}/ Re: always been a fan of QT Jim Crafton15-Jun-05 9:30 Jim Crafton 15-Jun-05 9:30  Actually this is not exactly correct. Qt does NOT use the native widgets like Wx does. Qt emulates all of them, which is why they tend to get a lot of heat on OSX because this is hard to do well (if at all). That's to say when you ask for a tree control in Wx you get the native tree control. When you ask for a tree control with Qt you get an emulated one NOT the native tree control. ¡El diablo está en mis pantalones! ¡Mire, mire! Real Mentats use only 100% pure, unfooled around with Sapho Juice(tm)! SELECT * FROM User WHERE Clue > 0 0 rows returned Save an Orange - Use the VCF! Re: always been a fan of QT Almighty Bob15-Jun-05 9:49 Almighty Bob 15-Jun-05 9:49  to be honest, I've only used it in X11 because I couldnt afford the windows IDE. from what I have been able to tell they still use native platform api's and emulate look and feel (not that they necessarily use common controls on every platform), so using their tools wouldnt be any slower than writing your own controls using the platform sdk (for windows). I've never used wxwidgets, so I wouldnt know. Closest I've been to wxwidgets is using audacity. I do know qt has a slick IDE (much like visual studio), and for a beginner, thats a good migration point. /bb|[^b]{2}/ wxWindows ed welch13-Jun-05 2:10 ed welch 13-Jun-05 2:10  I wrote a cross platform application using wxWindows. I initially developed on Windows and then to get it to work on Linux I only had to change a few minor compile errors. I was quite impressed because I never wrote anything for Linux before. Re: wxWindows Navin13-Jun-05 2:33 Navin 13-Jun-05 2:33  Yeah, I've had good experience with wxWindows (oops, I guess they're now wxWidgets) too. In particular, it's not too difficult to put in platform-specific stuff (e.g., they have a lot of Windows-specific classes) when you need it. The generation of random numbers is too important to be left to chance.

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