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Yeah, I'd consider ASUS if build quality was all I was looking for. My biggest stumbling block is trackpads. I can't bear them and would much prefer a laptop that didn't have one that I'd just disable anyway.
Anyway, I'll take a look at them.
To err is human. Fortune favors the monsters.
modified 25-Mar-23 13:29pm.
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I can’t stand trackpads either. My wife likes them but she seldom uses her laptop. Myself I prefer to use a trackball. I use the Logitech MX Ergo.
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Thanks for making me look at ASUS again.
Asus ProArt Studio Book[^]
OLED 16" - Nice!
12th gen core i7 mobile
Onboard graphics that don't totally suck.
Shame about the trackpad, but that's the only thing I don't like so far, and expect I'm probably going to wind up having to settle for disabling it on whatever i end up getting.
Thanks again!
To err is human. Fortune favors the monsters.
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honey the codewitch wrote: Shame about the trackpad,
Sometimes one has to go with the times. Many moons ago I had laptops that had a trackball instead of a trackpad. I used to love them: accurate, small no accidental movement. I might have been the only one or they were not economical to build because they disappeared and I had to learn to live with the trackpads. Well, times, they are 'achanging.
honey the codewitch wrote: Thanks for making me look at ASUS again
One is glad to be of service 
Mircea
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Back before Microsoft made it easy to disable the trackpad via settings, I would tape a piece of thin cardboard over the trackpad.
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I have ALWAYS used a mouse with my laptops. I too had a Thinkpad and I agree with @honeythecodewitch on all points. The only 'built-in' pointer I ever used. I am basically a desktop guy, not a gamer. I have owned a couple of Asus Zen, low end and they are performed very well. I think my favorite was a Sony Vero (I think) that was a 'desktop replacement' back in the day that I bought because I was in temporary housing in a different city for two years due to herself's assignments. Big capable machine in its day, big speakers, etc. I think around 2005. Currently, we have a couple of HP's that are OK, but HP likes to be pretty intrusive. Since desktop is my preference with lots of monitors, etc. I normally look for lightness in laptops. LG is advertising one that looks pretty light, but I have no experience with it.
Have fun
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https://psrefstuff.lenovo.com/syspool/Sys/i_pdf/ThinkPad.pdf
u can download the spec sheet , if you are looking for a high end workstation you can go for P series , on the move x series or t series...... they are still the goat or beef... then there is the dell precision
hp you need to really compare with the rest....
Caveat Emptor.
"Progress doesn't come from early risers – progress is made by lazy men looking for easier ways to do things." Lazarus Long
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I had a precision. Didn't love it. My only issue with spending this kind of money on a Lenovo is I don't know what I'm getting. For example, I've bought ASUS products for years. I've had one bad product - a poorly designed netbook from them, but their build quality (even on that device) has always been at least respectable.
Lenovo is kind of an unknown quantity for me, and the spec sheet won't tell me if they use good (japanese maybe) capacitors in their boards for example. Not that I'm looking for that kind of detail. More I'm looking for people's organic experiences with them. Did they hold up? Did the hinges wear out? Was their anything about them you hated? That sort of thing. Spec sheets are kind of short on that information.
To err is human. Fortune favors the monsters.
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well they don't charge money simply ... u get what you pay for ...also they have a three year warranty etc for dell i think you may have to check ..in case of issues there is solutions... you can check youtube they have reviews and teardowns and how to upgrade etc....... asus you can go for the gaming rouge series or so which may match the menioned.................. hinges etc dont wear out if you dont close and open etc..too much... mobileworkstation are u just put it on the desk connect to monitors and forget it......
Caveat Emptor.
"Progress doesn't come from early risers – progress is made by lazy men looking for easier ways to do things." Lazarus Long
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I currently have 2 Lenovo Legion Laptops. I love them. I am slowly replacing everything HP I had with Lenovo. Granted I don't get the low end machines though. Both of my laptops are the Legions. They seem to hold up as good as any dell. The only gripe I had is that I had to get a new power cord (my fault) for one of them, and it was difficult to get it ordered correctly without talking to a salesperson from Lenovo website.
You can always ask at MicroCenter. They have a customer service chat and they are generally pretty honest.
( https://www.microcenter.com )
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Hmmm. everywhere I need to go with something like a laptop there's a TV to plug into, and this is primarily for taking to my sister's place. Being able to game a little wouldn't hurt.
I'll definitely consider it. Thanks. Very outside the box solution to my overarching problem. I like it. 
To err is human. Fortune favors the monsters.
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Yes, but then I wouldn't have my wonderful Das5QS. The only thing that isn't perfect about it is the lack of a pointing nub. I'll never go back to a membrane keyboard.
To err is human. Fortune favors the monsters.
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Honestly Hun, They're all Chinese junk. Take your pick.
Except HP they suck even more.
We prefer Asus or Acer. They seem to care at least a little.
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Yeah ASUS has done pretty well by me. I'd consider their laptops if all I was looking at was build quality, but their lineup didn't impress me when I looked before, although someone here just had me look again and they've got some "Pro Art" laptops for creators - like graphic designers and CAD users, with a big OLED screen and nasty processor, plus a half respectable video card for a laptop.
Kinda pricey for the specs, but that's probably because of the screen. It's on my short list though.
To err is human. Fortune favors the monsters.
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I was speaking compared to ASUS' other notebooks. 
To err is human. Fortune favors the monsters.
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my experience on HP laptops is not great. currently I am using one...
diligent hands rule....
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ThinkPad T series and E series are very good - first hand experience...
"If builders built buildings the way programmers wrote programs, then the first woodpecker that came along would destroy civilization." ― Gerald Weinberg
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Thanks!
To err is human. Fortune favors the monsters.
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I appear to be in a small minority here, but I've had good experience with the HP laptops. Over the last 15 years I have bought 6 laptops for various family members. 5 are still working away to this day. (The oldest was junked because its screen broke in a fall)
They are not bleeding-edge technology, but they work for us.
As for Lenovo, we have had two of them. I don't like the amount of spyware and bloatware that they come with. They also make it difficult to remove - after installing a clean system, using their "driver installation" app will also reinstallmuch of the spyware.
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows.
-- 6079 Smith W.
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I have had similar experience. Have an HP touch screen 17" laptop (2 years old) and HP desktop (3 years old). Both solid and not overloaded with bloatware. I use them everyday. My Lenova was retired because I could not upgrade OS and hard drive was weak. I do have a beef with HP is printer systems. But that's another story.
"A little time, a little trouble, your better day"
Badfinger
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I bought one 2 weeks ago. A yoga, since that had what I wanted, namely a fast ssd, metal case, backlit keyboard and a decent cpu. Couldn't give a crap about the 10-point touchscreen, 180deg hinge to make it a tablet or the inbuilt hd camera.
14" 2880x1800 oled, 16g ram, 1tb nvme ssd. i7-1260. Dolby atmos sound, backlit keyboard.
It's a sexy machine, with spectacular build quality, though wasn't what I'd call cheap.
Everything about it is amazing..
Except 2 things.
0) Windows 11's Bluetooth support sucks big hairy donkey whatsits. All of the bluetooth audio devices I own produce glitchy sound. Both synch issues when watching youtube or locally-stored videos with VLC, sometimes combined with lower pitch. Someone online has pointed out that a 1k test signal was played back at 44100/48000 of what it should be (with a pair of Huwawei laptops)
MS bt drivers for it only allow 48000hz BT sound output. I've been back and forth with them for a week and appear to have an admission that their third-party supplier (Microsoft) has let down the team. Think I'll return it and keep working on the old Win 7 laptop I have.
1) The warranty scheme is messed-up. They offer a 12 month warranty, to which they add an extra month. Why the extra month, you ask? Because the warranty period starts when they sell it to the retailer, rather than when the retailer sells it to you. They've even got a button in their support website marked "Problems with my warranty" or similar. I got mine with under 10months left, according to their Vantage app. They fixed that after a single email.
Everything else about it though is like my L badged 'toyota'. (Bloody Awesome) Sucks bugger-all juice while going hard, a tank of energy lasts ages. I've been getting about 10 hours per charge from the 71Wh battery, the inbuilt sound is spectacular and it's an absolute joy to use.
The sound issue though is not what I'd expect from something with Dolby written on it, which cost over $2.6k. 
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I bought its "little bro" Ideapad Flex 5 a few months ago for about A$1.4k. [i7, 16GB / 512GB] Ran Win11 long enough to make it let go of the SSD (kill "fast start") then repartitioned it and loaded Ubuntu. Very happy with it. Much lighter than my other lappies, battery runs pretty much all day, so I don't need to lug the charger around a lot of the time. Feels solid, looks to be well engineered articulated hinges, magnetic closure is nice. About the only beef I have with it is that, like so many others around that size, the cursor up/down keys are half height. Keyboard backlight is a nice extra for late night use. Not a fan of touchpads, so I got a logitech pebble too.
Software rusts. Simon Stephenson, ca 1994. So does this signature. me, 2012
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