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Whatever they're doing, Western Europe's schools perform far better than the ones in my country.
To err is human. Fortune favors the monsters.
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Do not worry... they are trying very hard to get to the same level...  
M.D.V. 
If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about?
Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you
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What level? Have you seen the bio of the leading edge researchers/engineers/technologists? They're not of American ancestry even if they attended American colleges. Head of Microsoft? Indian. Head of Ubuntu? South African. Head of Linux? Finnish. Raspberry Pi? UK. Our typical American hubris needs to be checked. From what I've seen is that schools are more about rote and memorization to do enough to pass the standardized exams than problem solving. I think we've watched too many movies where we somehow come up with a magic way to deliver us from a superior foe (looking at you Independance Day  ) that we've come to believe that will actually happen instead of prepping for it ahead of time.
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It's almost like if you critically think about it, not only is the evidence for it present in all cultures dating back thousands of years, but it affects literally everyone. As if the current reactionary climate surrounding the topic is due primarily to ignorance, which can be solved by... teaching.
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people don't want facts they want sensationalism.
facts are boring and require logical thoughtful deliberation.
Who wants to use their brains in our current society? I can't think of too many people who do.
To err is human to really elephant it up you need a computer
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> Who wants to use their brains in our current society?
I think of the response among people to the "Spanish" Flu Pandemic in the early 20th century, as well as the response to smallpox vaccinations among some of the adult population and I think there's always been an undercurrent of intellectual laziness among a population of any size. Maybe the Internet made it worse. I don't know.
To err is human. Fortune favors the monsters.
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honey the codewitch wrote: Maybe the Internet made it worse. I don't know.
It certainly allows it to travel broader and faster than ever before. 
TTFN - Kent
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Which kind of end confirming Einstein's quote...
M.D.V.
If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about?
Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you
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People don't want facts; they want both sensationalism and confirmation of their own beliefs and desires.
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I think they're more in interested in Hoth. They already know there's no intelligent live here.
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PIEBALDconsult wrote: no intelligent live here.
Hey what about @OriginalGriff?
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honey the codewitch wrote: it is feasible an extraterrestrial spaceship could be in our galactic neighborhood, exploring the region by the means of "dandelion seeds"
It is feasible that a dragon in another dimension is using small pixies to explore our solar system.
I actually give that a higher probability that the prior one because the prior one is limited by the physics (and economics) of this universe while mine is not.
But I certainly will not be spending time looking or even thinking about either.
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Quote: But I certainly will not be spending time looking or even thinking about either.
I will... just in case.
- I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.
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Been wondering where these danged pixies are coming from...
It all makes sense now.
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Given enough time, anything is possible. Oscillating, expanding; take your choice.
"Before entering on an understanding, I have meditated for a long time, and have foreseen what might happen. It is not genius which reveals to me suddenly, secretly, what I have to say or to do in a circumstance unexpected by other people; it is reflection, it is meditation." - Napoleon I
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They do not want the gen-pop thinking critically, it would make it harder for them to control the masses with FUD.
As for the Harvard scientist and Pentagon official's conjecture, it sounds to me like nothing more than they're trying to justify their grants/budget.
There are no solutions, only trade-offs. - Thomas Sowell
A day can really slip by when you're deliberately avoiding what you're supposed to do.
- Calvin (Bill Watterson, Calvin & Hobbes)
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Who's the "they" you refer to? Some unknown, anonymous (therefore not disprovable) group that are 'controlling' everything in true conspiracy theory form? If you know who 'they' are why not not share the name with us together with your hard evidence. If not, admit you are talking BS.
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Well, aren't you the sweet talker? Of course I'm talking BS and speculation, I thought that was evident.
Is it a conspiracy? Did a bunch of people with power and influence get together one day to plan, hatch and implement a plot to dumb down our children? Not likely. Is it the result of decisions made by educators who share ideas through networking both professional and personal, and the DoE and government agencies that partially fund public schools and often dictate through that funding what is or isn't taught? Obviously. Was the decision not to teach logic and critical thinking made for non-nefarious purposes, like to make room for other subjects deemed more important? Who knows? Whatever the reason it was made I suspect no one who has something to sell (politicians, businesses, media companies, etc.) is trying to convince our educators to do anything differently.
The second "they" is the scientist and the Pentagon official. Surely that much of my intent was evident.
There are no solutions, only trade-offs. - Thomas Sowell
A day can really slip by when you're deliberately avoiding what you're supposed to do.
- Calvin (Bill Watterson, Calvin & Hobbes)
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Research courtesy of ChatGPD.
>64
Some days the dragon wins. Suck it up.
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ChatGPT is faster at producing average nonsense, but only humans can produce first-class nonsense!
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows.
-- 6079 Smith W.
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Yes but the speed of false information flow on social networks is such that the ChatGPT becomes the front runner then.
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Ever since the Sixties, I would say that US education has abandoned rigourous, logical thinking in favour of "self affirmation", "feelings", and other distractions. In that, they were only one generation ahead of the rest of the Western world. Western civilization may coast on its past accomplishments for a few more decades, but unless a major shift occurs in the near future - the late 21st and 22nd centuries will be under the ascendancy of South and East Asia. They haven't lost sight of the goals.
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows.
-- 6079 Smith W.
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I think once societies achieve a certain level of advancement, or at least - I struggle for the word here - "decadence" almost covers it but I don't like moral connotations of it generally they tend to rest on their laurels, and even pursue more frivolous aims.
Douglas Adams sort of touched on this in his books at a couple of points.
Quote: “The history of every major galactic civilisation tends to pass through three distinct and recognisable phases, those of Survival, Enquiry and Sophistication, otherwise known as the How, Why and Where phases.
For instance, the first phase is characterised by the question How can we eat?, the second by the question Why do we eat?, and the third but the question Where shall we have lunch?”
There's a longer, better quote that dovetails more with what I'm getting at, but it's about shoe stores. It's also too long to comfortably post here. It's basically a short story.
I think in the end, there's a global ebb and flow among competing civilizations, as one gets comfortable, the ones that are still hungry will eventually overtake them, but then the comfortable become the hungry.
For a long time, China wasn't competitive. Then they were. Maybe it's just our turn.
To err is human. Fortune favors the monsters.
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Civilisations come and go; it was ever thus. Read "The Rise and Fall of the Great Powers" by Paul Kennedy (ISBN 0-394-54674-1) for a plausible study and explanation of how and why this happens. Comparing the the demise of previous Great Powers (the ancients through to the more recent European powers, Netherlands, Spain, France, Britain etc) to today is eerily familiar. It's broadly similar to the Peter Principle - that at work people rise to their own level of incompetence, which is where their demise begins. So, it appears, do nations.
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