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*groan*
The most expensive tool is a cheap tool. Gareth Branwyn
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Mike Hankey wrote: *groan*
Seconded! I wonder how many youngins know what the B-side even is?
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And even of those that older records ran at 78rpm?
The most expensive tool is a cheap tool. Gareth Branwyn
JaxCoder.com
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Bring back wax cylinders, that's what I say! 
When I was at Uni, a mate bought his first car - gawd knows how old it was, but it had a starting handle ... and a radio with actual valves in it, so it took about two minutes to warm up before you could hear anything.
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I think you mean tubes (glass vacuum tubes). They are kind of like a valve.
I think they would blow out like incandescent light bulbs. I remember going to a store with my father to buy a replacement tube for the radio or amp one time.
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They were called "valves" in Right Pond.
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"Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt
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You could have been tipped off by "lifts the needle onto the next track". Youngsters have no idea what that means, either.
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I remember a elderly faculty member having issues with reading a 5 1/4 inch floppy disk. He tried several times and it wouldn't read. He then called my classmate, who found out that all the while he was inserting it upside down. The student taught the teacher how to insert a floppy disk correctly into its drive.
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Those people who had a Commodore 64 with the 1541 disk drive would know that you could flip the disk over and write to the other side as well. Of course you had to clip a second notch on the side of the disk to allow writing.
Kelly Herald
Software Developer
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Hold still Griff. We're going to have to hurt you now.
Software Zen: delete this;
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My boss gives me "demerits" for bad puns. A shortened version of this one got me 33 1/3 demerits.
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Could have been worse: it might have been a single instead of an LP. Or even worse, a 78! 
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"Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt
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I'm starting a new job on Monday, and I posed some questions regarding the unit testing stuff they do, and asked this question:
"Which testing framework are we using - mstest, nunit, xunit?"
Response (from one of the testers) - "I'm not sure".
How can that possibly be the case? Should I be worried?
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I would say that means something like: We don't do unit tests.
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They do automated UI testing with Selenium, but they still have to use a testing framework to "make it go".
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013
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Testing can be done in several ways.
I guess unit testing is more a developer / dev-ops thing.
modified 11-Nov-22 12:55pm.
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Regardless of whether or not unit testing is done, you still need some sort of testing framework (for selenium), right?
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013
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I played around with selenium with mstest. Haven't tried it with nunit yet.
FWIW, that question was 9 years old... Would it. and the answers it garnered, still be relevant?
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013
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Can't tell, as I don't have any experience with Selenium, but I get the impression that unit testing is not needed per se ...
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The tester "tests"; there's nothing to imply that they "program the tests". Integration testing. Acceptance testing.
"Before entering on an understanding, I have meditated for a long time, and have foreseen what might happen. It is not genius which reveals to me suddenly, secretly, what I have to say or to do in a circumstance unexpected by other people; it is reflection, it is meditation." - Napoleon I
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But they do, in fact write their own tests (from what I've been told).
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013
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that's the devs job to write the tests the tester just runs them lol while watching cat videos
Caveat Emptor.
"Progress doesn't come from early risers – progress is made by lazy men looking for easier ways to do things." Lazarus Long
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Testing in general
I can't hear it anymore, this statement from developers: I implemented xyz tests.
But if I only do the first user actions, not even the slightest thing works.
Developers: Get your finger out of the ass and deliver working software!
Btw: I'm counting me as a developer 
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Congrats on the new job, even if the testers are not up to snuff the environment has got to be better than where you were.
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity -
RAH
I'm old. I know stuff - JSOP
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