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Never feel bad about removing McAfee. There are much better Anti-Virus products, including some available free.
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Straight there (2,3,4,5)
"I didn't mention the bats - he'd see them soon enough" - Hunter S Thompson - RIP
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Talk about lack of focus - you were submitting the answer whilst I Googled to see if they really do fly in straight lines (apparently they don't).
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 If we're right, you can take tomorrow then - I've done one this week and my next clue is far from finished!
On a macro scale, bees fly in straighter lines - though when you watch one, they're all over the place.
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I think the "doing tomorrow" aspect may have influenced my decision to Google rather than post answer. Never 100% sure I'll be available in 24 hours time (and I am useless at doing the clues!)
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It doesn't matter whether they fly straight, what matters is - they are known to.
"I didn't mention the bats - he'd see them soon enough" - Hunter S Thompson - RIP
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They actually fly straighter than they used to, studies show that birds now tend to follow motorways!
So old that I did my first coding in octal via switches on a DEC PDP 8
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You are up tomorrow
"I didn't mention the bats - he'd see them soon enough" - Hunter S Thompson - RIP
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I could have been bluffing about having the answer!
But I'll have a go if nobody else wants to!!! (Apologies if it's late or I'm not around to award the win!)
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I'll fill in if not posted by 10am...
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Thanks, it should be fine but apologies if I am slow with responses to guesses as I do have a meeting in the morning - hopefully it will have been guessed by then!
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From the newsletter: 5 dead programming languages we should never forget
Erlang - maybe not mainstream or popular anymore, but the basis of RabbitMQ.
Perl - Also still being used.
Objective-C - Also still being used.
I think sometimes people just write articles for the sake of it and have very little idea of what's actually being used in industry, especially when it comes to the popularity of programming languages.
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See The Insider News.
As Kent said: "Dead == I don't use it".
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows.
-- 6079 Smith W.
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Then PHP is dead and C++ and Java, etc. :P
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Jacquers wrote: Then PHP is dead and C++ and Java
In that case, .NET languages are the only living programming languages for me. Every other languages other than .NET ones are dead.
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For me .NET is dead, only C and C++ are still living.
GCS d--(d+) s-/++ a C++++ U+++ P- L+@ E-- W++ N+ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t+ 5? X R+++ tv-- b+(+++) DI+++ D++ G e++ h--- r+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X
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I'm sort of there myself. I can't run .NET on most of the hardware I target these days.
Real programmers use butterflies
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It's hard to install the runtime on 128 kB flash, and it doesn't run smoothly on 6 kB of RAM 
GCS d--(d+) s-/++ a C++++ U+++ P- L+@ E-- W++ N+ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t+ 5? X R+++ tv-- b+(+++) DI+++ D++ G e++ h--- r+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X
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Can you imagine a garbage collector working with 6kB of RAM? haha
Real programmers use butterflies
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I have never seen a job advert for the work you do, ever. Not to say there isn't a market for it, but I think your work is a very specialized and isolated market.
.net (.net stack) is super huge in the market where I am at. C# is bigger than any other language right now, next to Java.
perhaps its just location too. like real estate - location, location, location.
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So far I'm seeing a ratio of 2:1 for embedded vs Java/.NET job offers, it may be due to location (northern Italy has a lot of industrial, aerospace and automotive companies) and search bubble but I remember it being this way since 2010 at least.
If I had better electronics aptitude I would make a killing.
GCS d--(d+) s-/++ a C++++ U+++ P- L+@ E-- W++ N+ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t+ 5? X R+++ tv-- b+(+++) DI+++ D++ G e++ h--- r+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X
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I've never seen one either. I got my current gig by being scouted here.
Real programmers use butterflies
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 Yeah, very nice indeed!
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Jacquers wrote: Then PHP is dead
That's just wishful thinking.
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