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Windows 10's built in Windows Defender is sufficient for most heathens. it will be active by default if no other av is installed. It's also out of your way.
McAfee is neither live nor safe. I just cleaned so much crap from a customer's live safe'ed windows 10 machine using the usual tech tools. It was so infected they're Open Office would not.... open.
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Whenever I buy a new computer for myself or a family member, the first thing I do is to do a clean install of Windows. This is a surefire way to get rid of the cr@pware that comes with the new machine. Then I rely on Defender only for virus protection.
Get me coffee and no one gets hurt!
modified 15-Apr-21 11:55am.
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Agreed. Some of the "anti-virus" tools are like a rootkit -- almost impossible to remove unless nuking from orbit.
I'm using Windows Defender and MalwareBytes.
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Agree 100%. Fresh install of Windows.
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Smart move. Windows Defender is a better AV.
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I have long since uninstalled and deactivated all antivirus software on all my PCs.
In 20 years of using antivirus software, the only threats it has reported to me are suspicious emails that I had identified as such and already thrown away. And also a plethora of popups, all as arrogant as useless.
Please tell us: Has your antivirus ever reported a threat in the past that was really a threat?
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I promptly uninstalled McAffee.. and I didnt install any alternative. I too generally think that anti virus are a waste of... everything really.. And was looking for possible reason toe change my mind...
But as other reminded me, Windows Defender is an anti virus and it does as good a job as any other. So AV are really not needed!
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If you are a "safe-surfer" you might be able to get away without an anti-virus, however it is advisable to have one - just in case.
I used to believe the hype about Windows Defender being as god, if not better, than other AV solutions, so much so that I left it to do its good work on new PCs that I configured for family and friends. That is until they started getting infected by simple "drive-by" browser attacks.
So I have returned to my old standby which is Symantec (not Norton) Endpoint Protection - the client is 'free' and requires no license and will run standalone - you just have to find a copy.
SEP is not at all intrusive and you can turn off many of the options if you want (e.g. firewall), but above all it doesn't spend its time trying to protect your credit card, save your passwords or any of the other bells & whistles that commercial AV software tries to use to stand out from the competition.
So old that I did my first coding in octal via switches on a DEC PDP 8
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Viruses these days are after your data in a sort of brute force attack that slows down your pc more than antivirus software will if nothing is attacking. So, if modern security software is running hard, that means it is protecting your computer from active threats. This is common today, if you plan to run that computer online with no security it will not be long at all before your computer slows down more and more as your cpu cycles are being used by malicious code.
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TBH for most people windows defender is good enough. I always pair it with setting dns to quad9.
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I've been happily using Immunet (a combination of the Cisco cloud based malware protection and ClamAV) for some time now.
Money makes the world go round ... but documentation moves the money.
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I use both Windows Security and Norton360 on my machines. I download the updates each morning, then run a quick scan with Norton 360.
I think the critical thing is to keep the definitions updated.
So far no problems. Knock on wood.
One never know for sure, Do one? -Fats Waller
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Hi Super Lloyd,
I think security of our current computers and internet infrastructure demands we build it here where we can be sure hardware is not compromised. It is either secure or it is not? Any complex system is very vulnerable to malicious tampering in environments like Taiwan where China or any other competitor has so much power and access. Build it in what ever country you hope to secure and pay close attention to whom you let in the door?
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that said, Each computer should have a dedicated security co processor with secure and efficient code that is agile and robust in my opinion...
what do you think Humanity?
thanks for asking
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I don't remember NOT wiping & cleanly reisntalling any new pre-build PC I bought, except a cheap tablet from Odys which, oddly enough, came with only very little unobtrusive preloaded stuff.
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Never feel bad about removing McAfee. There are much better Anti-Virus products, including some available free.
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Straight there (2,3,4,5)
"I didn't mention the bats - he'd see them soon enough" - Hunter S Thompson - RIP
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Talk about lack of focus - you were submitting the answer whilst I Googled to see if they really do fly in straight lines (apparently they don't).
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 If we're right, you can take tomorrow then - I've done one this week and my next clue is far from finished!
On a macro scale, bees fly in straighter lines - though when you watch one, they're all over the place.
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I think the "doing tomorrow" aspect may have influenced my decision to Google rather than post answer. Never 100% sure I'll be available in 24 hours time (and I am useless at doing the clues!)
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It doesn't matter whether they fly straight, what matters is - they are known to.
"I didn't mention the bats - he'd see them soon enough" - Hunter S Thompson - RIP
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They actually fly straighter than they used to, studies show that birds now tend to follow motorways!
So old that I did my first coding in octal via switches on a DEC PDP 8
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You are up tomorrow
"I didn't mention the bats - he'd see them soon enough" - Hunter S Thompson - RIP
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I could have been bluffing about having the answer!
But I'll have a go if nobody else wants to!!! (Apologies if it's late or I'm not around to award the win!)
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I'll fill in if not posted by 10am...
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