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Ah, good point. Apple had this problematic UI first didn't they?
That makes sense.
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Hmm ... I posted something about it in the Lounge way back in time  in October 2019 ... under a meaningful title "End of nightmare" and this line might help
" Windows - settings - ease of access - automatically hide scrollbars in Windows - OFF, ",
unless, of course, MSFT did remove this setting, who knows ...
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Thanks for posting and I have activated that. It's good at least that they do have that option now. But I still have an i-bar as a cursor over the scrollbar.
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Thanks for the 'ease of access' tip. Disappearing scroll bars were an endless source of annoyance!
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I checked right now ... this setting is still intact in 2020H2, what a relief
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This Windows 10 "feature" was really bugging me to the point of ..headdesk ( in words of HTCW ) ...
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I think it's a real pain but I somehow adapt to it, partly because as a developer there are always so many "shiny new things" that adapting goes with the territory.
However regarding these modern changes, where it really annoys me is for people like my 81 year old father who didn't realise that you could click on the top of a window and move it even if there was no bar at the top. It seems like for the past couple of years he has been moving windows by resizing them.
These changes make things a lot harder for the older, non-expert, users.
I get the impression that these sorts of UI changes are not really taking some of the less young users into account.
“That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.”
― Christopher Hitchens
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I have no idea if that[^] will help you or not, but you can always try.
Hope this helps.
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Indeed this makes it very clear how to restore this situation. But they were very very diligent with introducing this windows feature, to everyones confusion ...
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Yeah, I have that feature applied. It's just odd that millions of people-hours have now been spent turning that option on so that they can see the scrollbars.
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I hate it, but I rarely use the scrollbar nowadays.
mouse scroll wheel or trackpad scrolling.
I'd rather be phishing!
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Maximilien wrote: I hate it, but I rarely use the scrollbar nowadays.
mouse scroll wheel or trackpad scrolling.
Now load a 100-page document. What's your quickest way to scroll down to the bottom?
With a viewable scrollbar, you can drag the little thumb thingy (I can never remember what it's called) and drag it to the bottom - and you're there. With your mouse wheel or trackpad, by now you're probably still on page 3.
Granted, if you have a device with a keyboard, nothing beats hitting Ctrl-End. But I know of no equivalent solution for phones or tablets or any other purely touch device. I'm betting there's one, but these devices have existed for well over a decade now, and I still don't know about it. Which says a lot about discoverability. If there's some obscure gesture...then that's my point. You can't even find these by accident.
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doesn't ctrl-down (or something like that) do that ?
I'd rather be phishing!
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First sentence of my last paragraph.
Read it in its entirety to put things into context.
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This "feature" first appeared in Linux Ubuntu a few years back. And since Microsoft is a the nom du plume for "Copycat"....
Hiding the scrollbar is one of the most pervasive, annoying, repeated throughout the day, 250 millisecond time wasting feature of OS's. It's the whining noise of a mosquito that you can't find and kill. After a day of working on the computer, the irritation one feels is like one's skin has been rubbed with fine sandpaper all day
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Marc Clifton wrote: Hiding the scrollbar is one of the most pervasive, annoying, repeated throughout the day, 250 millisecond time wasting feature of OS's. It's the whining noise of a mosquito that you can't find and kill. After a day of working on the computer, the irritation one feels is like one's skin has been rubbed with fine sandpaper all day
Spot on!! That's exactly right. No human who uses a computer needs this feature -- and humans who don't use a computer do not need it either.
Seriously, it is just pure stupidity. I honestly equate it to waking up and all the steering wheels on all the cars are changed to squares. Imagine that. It would be crazy and annoying.
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Chrome's super thin scrollbar really annoys me  I have to use it at work, no other go.
At home I use Firefox which has an old style scrollbar.
Cheers,
Vikram.
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I actually filed a bug report on this. You can get your scroll bar back by going to "Ease of Access" in the Windows Settings interface and clearing the checkbox.
On a small screen (smartphone sized) I can see the use of this feature. On a large screen scroll bars are part of good UI and hiding them is brain dead.
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That's a damn waste of perfectly fine BBQ meat 
Bastard Programmer from Hell 
"If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
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Nah stew, some carrots and onions with plenty of garlic and let the little bugger stew for a couple of hours.
I'm not normally one to support the PETA line but that is a powerful video.
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity -
RAH
I'm old. I know stuff - JSOP
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Mycroft Holmes wrote: I'm not normally one to support the PETA line but that is a powerful video.
Yah, seen it and hungry; but no idea why a rabbit needs lipstick.
Bastard Programmer from Hell
"If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
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Maybe better for BBQ. Remember, if you put lipstick on a pig it's still a pig, but maybe if you put lipstick on a rabbit some people will think it's also a pig.
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Mycroft Holmes wrote: Nah stew, some carrots and onions with plenty of garlic and let the little bugger stew for a couple of hours.
Yeah, that's bad, wasting a perfectly good piece of meat. You know there's no "English" restaurants on the continent? Know why? Because all you do is boil it to crap with carrots and onions!
First, you need to get your hands on "stroop"; Dutch product.
Then you prep your rabbit, drencht it in water and bit of vinegar and bit of salt. It'll soften the meat a bit and provide sour taste. Then, next day, cook it; throw in "stroop" to taste, until you have a sweet/sour thing. Add sugar is you used too much vinegar. Bayleaf at that point, plus pepper corns. Use some binder to thicken the sauce.
That recipe is medieval. Serve with (fresh) bread and cheap red wine. Dip your bread into the wine, than into rabbit sauce. No, the wine is not for drinking, but for dipping bread.
Goes very well with (old) Gouda cheese.
Bastard Programmer from Hell
"If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
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