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PIEBALDconsult wrote: However, if it doesn't provide protection for several years at least, then it ain't a vaccine.
This is dangerous pseudo-science that you are promulgating and it could cause innocent minds to reject their vaccine.  i guess you'll be thrown off the forum soon.
In future, please check with your local Journalists to determine if you are allowed to say a thing or not.
For now, you'll be placed in prison for your safety.
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raddevus wrote: i guess you'll be thrown off the forum soon.
or at least taken to the re-education camps.
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There are many different vaccines; some last your whole life others for only short periods. But they are still vaccines.
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PIEBALDconsult wrote: if it doesn't provide protection for several years at least, then it ain't a vaccine
Hmm. Do you have pets? If you do, do you take them for shots annually?
For that matter, do you have children?
Software Zen: delete this;
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Where did you get the "only" part? All it says is that it works for at least 6 months, which is what realistically can be measured.
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I like to roast the peppers and tomatoes before I make the salsa. I find it imparts a much better flavor to the overall condiment.
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As pointed out by others, it's at least six months. That, however, misses an even more important observation in a version of the article I read: it works very well against the South African strain.[^]
Actually, these all have only EUA . . . Emergency Use Authorization. They passed stage 3 testing but still hadn't done the one item that is needed for normal authorization: a study of the long-term effects, if any - because that would take that five years they'd been talking about when it was all still under development. That data is developing as we speak with a huge data set - hundreds of millions - because it's worth the risk.
As for your remarks about, effectively, the need for boosters. Many vaccines require boosters over varying periods of time. I had to have polio shot boosters as a kid - the DPT shot has to be repeated, periodically, as the immunity wears down.
COVID is, like the flu, mutating at a comparatively rapid rate. It would be less rapid were it not for two items:
1) people in poorer countries that are mainly unvaccinated allowing many victims and chances for mutation. Like it or not, this needs to be fixed (enlightened self interest, at the least).
2) hoards of morons, selfish and otherwise, in richer countries who refuse to acknowledge the seriousness of the situation or (at least pretend) to think it's all a hoax. Politically, they're willing to die for their party. So they gather, travel, and otherwise super-spread COVID and help it mutate as fast as possible. Caution is for sissies!
Group (2) has a death wish and wants us all to share in it.
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It'll become "part of the norm" like the yearly flu shot. Mark my words.
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A world of difference and a sensible conservative statement given how long it's actually been in use and in trials.
cheers
Chris Maunder
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Slacker007 wrote: for how long?
Only long enough to hunt down and execute all the carriers - no problem.
Will Rogers never met me.
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Slacker007 wrote: for how long?
As required.
We beat polio. Look it up, stop whining.
Bastard Programmer from Hell 
"If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
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Slacker007 wrote: Pfizer only good for 6 months after inoculation
I read this as "Pizza only good for 6 months", and I began wondering what sort of pizza and what sort of pizza storage was involved. Oh dear. 
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So off I trotted to the post office to get it done.
And of course they need a photo.
I'm shocked!
They made me remove my face mask, in a shop, in public, just a for licence that'll only last 8 years!
It's as if the government thinks we'll be back to bare faces by then ... 
"I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony
"Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt
AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!
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I can't wait until I renew mine this year. I lost my right eye in a fall last autumn, and my state requires a vision test for license renewal. My peripheral vision on the right ends just a tad westward of my nose.
Software Zen: delete this;
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RossMW wrote: ...the chip in the vaccine...
Sounds akin to Project Nightingale or Verily.
"One man's wage rise is another man's price increase." - Harold Wilson
"Fireproof doesn't mean the fire will never come. It means when the fire comes that you will be able to withstand it." - Michael Simmons
"You can easily judge the character of a man by how he treats those who can do nothing for him." - James D. Miles
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Funny thing about the chip-people: they don't seem to mind their smart-TV watching back at them.
Go figure?
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Had to wear a mask for the first time during the pandemic, we are only 1600km from the nearest infection - Brisbane.
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity -
RAH
I'm old. I know stuff - JSOP
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Haha. I know the feeling, but so far have never had to wear a mask for similar reasons. NZ
A Fine is a Tax for doing something wrong
A Tax is a Fine for doing something good.
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Something I was worried about may not be such a worry, after all[^].
Quote: Of note was the vaccine's efficacy in South Africa, where the B.1.351 variant originated. Among the more dominant strains globally, the B.1.351 has shown the most reduction in vaccine efficacies both in Phase 3 trials and in labs.
The Pfizer/BioNTech was 100% effective in preventing COVID-19 cases in South Africa, according to the companies.
Pfizer CEO Albert Bourla said in a statement, "The high vaccine efficacy observed through up to six months following a second dose and against the variant prevalent in South Africa provides further confidence in our vaccine’s overall effectiveness.”
It had seemed, per various earlier reporting, that this wasn't going to be the ecase. Good luck to the Moderna test as the Mrs. had that vaccine.
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That is fantastic news.
Wouldn't you hate to be an AstraZeneca at the moment. Those guys just can't get a break.
We, as software developers, need to educate them on how to reframe bugs as Design Features.
cheers
Chris Maunder
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I had a discussion about that very issue today. They thought it was a bug but I explained that it was BBD : behavior by design.
Yet another TLA for the collection.
"They have a consciousness, they have a life, they have a soul! Damn you! Let the rabbits wear glasses! Save our brothers! Can I get an amen?"
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I was watching DW news (streaming version) and their talking head (prestener) called it DisastraZeneca.
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Even JoJo is now being affected by AZ. (well, human error - the least debuggable - but these guys are seriously cursed)
cheers
Chris Maunder
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