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Following up on Dr. Pfeffer's post (couldn't resist that reference):
You probably mean a larger size monitor, but I have a laptop with the extra-wide screen, designed for media more than anything else. As the screens get smaller the difference in the two monitor types can be important.
Essentially, on this "media laptop", do to the wider aspect ratio I had two bad choices. Either I saw a decent number of lines of code (and any sort of document) but it was too small to comfortably read or I could expand it (for example, to full screen width) and the reading was fine but I saw so few lines it was also a problem. View the entire page at once was, even if just to check formatting (documents) often only marginally useful.
The rest - I can only agree with "the Dr's" answer. Unless you're a gamer on the side.
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W∴ Balboos, GHB wrote: Following up on Dr. Pfeffer's post
I must state that I am not, nor have I ever been, a member of the Academic class. I came by my ignorance honestly - by inheritance.
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows.
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Ahhh - you misunderstand.
Going to a university long enough to receive one's doctorate is a public service in that, although not working and an adult, you still do not count as unemployed - and for a reciprocal reward, during that time you don't count as a slacker !
When all is said and done, I (as a classic example) didn't have a real paying job until I was thirty. It is accepting my duty as a responsible citizen and I take, having served my country in this way, very seriously.
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I came by mine Lecter style - by composition 
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The one with more ram and a bigger SSD. Both will matter far more than differences between two high end CPUs; and the laptops built in screen is going to be my tertiary display anyway so I don't really care that much. I'll be using my existing USB-HDMI dongles so TB4 doesn't matter.
Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, weighing all things in the balance of reason?
Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful?
--Zachris Topelius
Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies.
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That sounds like a hardware question.
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I really hoped no one would notice it...
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After using something very much like B - a recent purchase of mine - but the pro rather than mobile version of that CPU, I'm thinking about forgetting about intel altogether.
Also thunderbolt plugs into nothing i own so personally, I'd skip it.
16:10 is the only advantage of that other machine, IMO.
Real programmers use butterflies
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Been waiting since September to get the new computer... now I can choose between the new "Thinkpad X1 carbon Gen 9" (Intel specs - A) or the "Thinkpad T14s Gen 1 or 2" (AMD specs - B).
But the AMD thing is harder to get than Moby Dick... 
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Joan M wrote: But the AMD thing is harder to get than Moby Dick...
That should tell you something though. Those AMD APUs really are amazing. Good luck.
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You don't mention the drive? Keep in mind that modern M.2 NVMe SSDs are significantly faster than older SATA style SSDs.
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Practically all high=end laptops these days support NVMe drives, and they are upgradable. The CPU and screen - less so.
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows.
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True! I did not realize he was referring to a laptop.
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I've posted only the differences between devices, all other things are +/- the same: 32GB RAM, 1 or 2 TB NVMe SSD, <1.2kg, ...
So yes, any of those would be good about SSD.
Thanks for your post!
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You need a time frame; in a couple of months, things may change again.
Also, AMD is segmenting crypto "miners" and "other" GPU's to help bring prices down.
It was only in wine that he laid down no limit for himself, but he did not allow himself to be confused by it.
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Sure, but I've been waiting since September to get the laptop, mine has run out of warranty and Lenovo can't provide me a new one... ^^¡
It must last from 4 to 5 years and I don't want to wait more...
It will be:
Thinkpad X1 carbon gen 9 (Intel i7-1165G7)
Thinkpad T14s Gen 2 (AMD zen 3 5800U)
Thinkpad T14s Gen 1 (AMD zen 2 4750U)
Maybe the carbon (with more display) would be the best one to get.
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With 16:10 I can see four more rows of posts on Codeproject without scrolling.
The same is also valid for VS.
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Yes, that's interesting...
I noticed immediately the reduction of lines when manufacturers went from 4:3 to 16:9... slowly all the IDEs out there adapted to the new layout and now it seems everything tends to go back normal... ^^¡
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Indeed, the only reason for going to 16:9 is that TVs are using that format, but noone is asking for it for laptops. It's just misguided marketing.
On the contrary, I have always checked for the aspect ration when buying laptops or monitors.
If I can get it I want 15:10 or 3:2.
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if you are buying the cheaper one.
If the company is buying. The more expensive one?
just a thought.
They will both work
To err is human to really elephant it up you need a computer
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B:
- after using intel for years, I'm over all the flaws that have forced microcode updates which have made processors about 50% slower than when we bought them
- you mention aspect ratio, but not actual screen size, so the only comment I have there is that 16:9 matches typical 1080p, meaning fewer times I'd have black bars on the sides of the screen for, eg, video. I'd rather have height than width for a screen anyway - more lines of code on the screen.
- usb c over thunderbolt: I have a Dell which had a TB dock and it was problematic: TB allows direct memory access from the device (like firewire does) so a dodgy device means an unhappy laptop. Currently I'm using a Lenovo USB-C dock without any issues on the same Dell.
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is the most important thing
You will spend your life
completely wasting your time
You will be doing things
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would have to hard disagree with you on TB being more future-proof: the future is USB: TB and FW were (imo) hacks to get around older USB speed limitations. USB-C (esp v4) is the way of the future; however the point is moot in that the TB-enabled laptops do so via a usb-c connector and the port can function as usb-c anyway.
Something that I've found to be of great value on a laptop is a good display - the intel variants all seem to have good ones, but with the AMD variants, you'll need to specifically ask for a display with > 400nits (there's variants with only 250!). One of the biggest complaints I had with co-worker's Lenovos is that I can't see their screens when we pair where my Dell is beautiful from all angles. And it's not as if I'm trying to sell Dell here - rather that it's something I didn't think about checking until I saw a mac vs my dell vs other's lenovos and the first two have really great displays, where the lenovos i saw were... not great. So when you pick one of these, check on the display option!
Other than that, a lot of this seems to be if you want to go Team Red (AMD) or Team Blue (Intel). My recent experiences with Intel have steered me towards my next desktop upgrade being AMD, so I'd be biased that way anyway. The AMD laptop you've linked is significantly heaver than the Intel one tho. Battery life seems to be about the same.
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If you say that getting the money
is the most important thing
You will spend your life
completely wasting your time
You will be doing things
you don't like doing
In order to go on living
That is, to go on doing things
you don't like doing
Which is stupid.
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Yep both seem nice machines, I would also prefer the AMD versions, but given my current success ratio with that... 
I think the best buy would be the T14s Gen 2 AMD 5800U, but who knows when will arrive and if it will be available or (like the 4750U will be only an impossible to get desire) and believe me, our company is a lenovo partner and we buy directly at importing companies (where shops buy) but even that, it's been completely impossible to get one.
I'm used to my current T460s, but I will get at least those 400 nits.
I guess at the end I will get the first one that I can get.
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Joan M wrote: Never used Thunderbolt before, but it seems more future proof.
Wouldn't bet to much on it.
USB is a standard created by the USB-consortium, while Thunderbolt is a superset on the standard created by Intel.
There is nothing that says that the next generation USB, will be backwards compatible with Thunderbolt.
On the other hand, there's nothing that says it won't. After all, Intel is a member of the consortium.
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