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You have to sign in to download though, so I think one of the major participation points is lacking without an account.
I mean, I get that on some forums you need an account to download files but literally this site is for sharing code. If you can't share code without an account then I'd say that's a pretty major absence of participation ability, but then that's me clearly not understanding the metric for "participation" here.
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I'm not sure, but I think you need an account to participate in the forums, download code, ask a question, or vote. Again, I'm not sure.
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You're probably right. Maybe they mean by participation - participation by account holders? i guess i can see that now. i'm trying to think of anything other than beta features and approving their own content the low rep users can't do and I'm coming up empty.
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W∴ Balboos, GHB wrote: enabling down voting only to members with sufficient reputation points or longevity
Two things here
- People who have just signed up have the same ability to judge an article as someone who has been around a while. I've never liked the messaging that goes with "you can't call out bad code unless you've been in the club a long time".
- Many, many, many of the drive-by downvotes are actually done by members who have been around a while. Sad but true.
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Chris Maunder
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Thus you have the dialectic of contradiction to handle:
You don't want to give this place a "squatter's rights" attitude and you express that admirably in the idea that a new member could judge as well as an old timer.
On the other hand, you don't want the ability to create an account quickly just to enable being an anonymous a**hole totally easy.
For a member "with a history, longevity, &etc", you at least know who they are and can take whatever measures you deem appropriate.
But the contradiction exists: surreptitious creation of accounts for minor harassment vs being a welcoming place. How does the drive-by user differ morally from a spammer? One spammer apparently hit one of my posts, today, and it was purged before I could get there to mark it as spam.
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You've nailed it.
The deciding factor, though, is the percentage of drive-bys that are by established members.
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Chris Maunder
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You have a valid point. I have seen a few articles here where the author pontificates ad nauseum against things that are standard industry practices and then they wonder why there are so many down votes. I find it rather amusing. I was one of those down votes and I don't feel like wasting my time arguing. The industry has already done that for me with its widespread adoption of those "bad" practices. If they were really so bad they would be exceptions instead of rules.
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I agree with you, but I think you should comment rather than vote if you're going to bother. Your point you just made to me might have had an impact in the comment section. All your downvote did, IMO is say "stick it, guy!" and if he's anything like me, he'd wonder what the hell he did?
For all I know my driveby downvotes were deserved, because my code crashed or something. Hell, I had one project i published here recently fail on *me* when I tried to run it in my commercial code in its first foray into "the wild" - and i got a one vote on that. I wonder if it failed for them too? I would have loved to know, because clearly my testing wasn't sufficient.
But see, that comment you gave me would have served the community, and the author, again in my opinion.
Just like the comment that my code didn't work not only would have made me fix it, but saved me time on the backend when i tried to use it in my own code.
If we're here to help each other and support each others endeavors I say we do it. You know?
A lot of times I just don't feel like it, so I get that. None of us are obligated. But then why vote? I don't mean that rhetorically. If there's an answer - like - what purpose does it serve, I'd listen. I'm open.
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I have downloaded code from here that had a bug or two but I have never given any of those a one vote. I fixed the bug, reported it, and moved on. That's just me though.
I understand your point with the comments but I am certain they would have zero affect on the author and their views. Most of the arguments have already been raised and the replies were as expected.
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Rick York wrote: Most of the arguments have already been raised and the replies were as expected.
Ah yes, well in that case, no sense beating a dead horse, because while you can lead a horse to water, you can't make him drink. But he shouldn't look a gift horse in the mouth.
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Hmm. Several years ago when CP had an up/down voting system, I became disgusted with my own behavior. I resolved to never use the forum post voting scheme again, either up or down.
Since that time if I like or dislike a post and I feel strongly enough about it, I comment and say so.
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I can appreciate that.
I feel kind of dirty using it as well, except when i give 5 stars for a great piece of work.
I always comment if i vote, even if just to tell someone i voted.
I don't give out one star votes. I may comment, and offer constructive criticism or advice, or ask a question if the article puts me off somehow, but I figure a vote doesn't tell them anything other than "someone didn't like it" which doesn't help anyone make anything better.
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#realJSOP wrote: I'd like to think that if it was from an established user, they'd at least show some respect and let me know where I went wrong.
You'd be surprised.
I once got downvoted by an established user (back then about 150k rep if I remember correctly) and all I got was how much I sucked and that I should really find another career.
Even after I *politely* asked him how I could improve I got nothing but curses and how I'm an idiot.
He even had a CP protector or some such icon next to his name!
The user has since left the forum.
What an enormous jackass, good riddance I say!
It was another user that day who helped me improve and pointed me in the right direction.
I also remember that Spanish/South-American(?) media(?) guy who wrote dozens of articles (also lots of rep), but would almost come to your house and kill your family if you didn't 5-vote him.
I don't remember his name or what he did, although he said he was a business owner of some large media imperium I believe, but I mostly remember his dismal behavior.
After the umpteenth warning, he's been kicked of the forum, I think.
I won't even remind you of the soapbox where established users with lots of rep turned into poop slinging monkeys.
Even established/high rep users can be gigantic asshats 
It's almost as if they're human 
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Sander Rossel wrote: I won't even remind you of the soapbox where established users with lots of rep turned into poop slinging monkeys.
The soapbox was specifically for slinging...
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013
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I think I remember who you are describing. He was Mr. Infomercial and knew everything about media there was to know. Wasn't his name Sergio or something like that?
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OMG. You made me look him up. Bill SerGio. So self-important he felt he needed to capitalize his name on every syllable.
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That's the one!
Almost 50K rep for writing articles, -2,658 rep in debator 
Seems he isn't banned after all.
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Bill is an enigma. One day I'm going to head down to his neck of the woods and have a beer with the man.
He's...odd...but we feel the world would be a far less interesting place without people like him.
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Chris Maunder
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I've never had a problem with him, but I've seen others struggle with him.
It has reached the Lounge a few times, but that's years ago (I've been here for over 10 years already  ).
I don't doubt his knowledge on the subjects he writes about, but I guess he could do with a little less ego 
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"Originally filmed in 1996." I highly doubt that 
More like 69 (nice) 
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Sander Rossel wrote: I also remember that Spanish/South-American(?) media(?) guy who wrote dozens of articles (also lots of rep), but would almost come to your house and kill your family if you didn't 5-vote him.
I'm really sorry about that. Not cool.
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Chris Maunder wrote: I'm really sorry about that. Not cool.
No need for you to be sorry. All you need to have done (to be cool) is to hunt him down where he lives and "down-vote him with extreme prejudice"*.
* That paraphrase should be added to the new CP Blossary you're going to create
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You're...scaring me.
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Chris Maunder
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Somewhere in the comparatively recent "Bugs & Suggestions" I noted that any time I post an answer in Q&A it's hit with a -2. They even when back in history a bit.
I think we have a name for said drive-by personnel: The Ball-less Avenger .
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