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I'm not sure you got the point that anyone's trying to make.
It's not the points - it's the persona that serepitously (and anonymously) run around criticizing the members. You may have heard of similar entities, oft referred to as 'trolls'.
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W∴ Balboos, GHB wrote: trolls
Yes, I get that.
But again, what I don't get is why you care. They are imaginary points. You don't get to turn them in for anything other than your own boost in self-esteem by people seeing how many points you have. And if that's what you need, you have way bigger problems.
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#realJSOP wrote: I really get annoyed by drive-by 1-voters...
Why?
Who cares about points? 
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Says a new guy...
It's not the points... I just brought up the point deduction value just in case someone knew whether or not the down-vote was weighted like the up-vote, and maybe we could at least determine the approximate user status of the voter.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013
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#realJSOP wrote: It's not the points
Then why do you care? I could go downvote everything you have ever done and that would change nothing, right?
I see Balboos also complaining about points and I don't understand why adults care about this?
Just curious.
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Well what does a fine adult, like yourself, care about?
So far, it seems like it's primarily criticizing other peoples considerations.
Or, perhaps from the obvious popularity of the icon-based votes, we like to add bits of fun to our lives. That's OK with you, right? Otherwise, we'll all stop immediately.
Perhaps you've something to contribute?
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W∴ Balboos, GHB wrote: Perhaps you've something to contribute?
Just curious why you're crying about someone on the internet not liking you.
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20212 wrote: Then why do you care?
I thought that would be obvious. The article was written for the benefit of other users, and the rep points are just a site-only recognition of your efforts that don't mean anything anywhere else.
If the article is deficient in some tangible way, tell me how it is deficient, and I can either address the problem, or discuss why I don't agree.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013
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#realJSOP wrote: If the article is deficient in some tangible way, tell me how it is deficient, and I can either address the problem, or discuss why I don't agree.
That's fair, but surely you know that from time to time someone will downvote and move on. Aint no thing.
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That's the problem. I'm fine with people not finding an article worth their own time, but I can't make it better if I don't know why. That's the whole point of my complaint, so it most definitely *is* a thing.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013
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#realJSOP wrote: but I can't make it better if I don't know why.
Pretty sure in these cases there is no why.
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I wrote this a little earlier to someone else, but it bears repeating here.
Recently I submitted an article and codebase that I had worked quite hard on, and tested (i thought)
I only got a single vote, and it was one star.
That does tank my overall article rep and it makes me wonder if that impacts ranking and thus search engine results, so for reasons there are real world implications of having a downvote troll - someone that religiously downvotes you particularly if you write niche content that is unpopular but nevertheless important for those who need it. Which I do a lot of.
But more than that - and this goes to JSOP's point - that article contained code that I then tried to use in a commercial product on a platform I thought I had tested it for, and it failed right out of the gate. First time i tried it in the wild. I didn't have time to investigate so I used another offering in the alternative, and there it sits until i get free time to attack it again.
What if that one star was someone who ran into the same problem I did with my code?
Hundreds of people downloaded it. That one comment could have saved everyone who used it and the person that wrote it a lot of hassle.
Maybe if they didn't have the one star option they'd be more inclined to write a scathing comment. I'd still much prefer that to a non-descriptive "general failure" message a one star vote sends.
Real programmers use butterflies
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honey the codewitch wrote: I'd still much prefer that to a non-descriptive "general failure" message a one star vote sends.
I agree. But I'm not going to care if one person keeps downvoting me.
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20212 wrote: if one person keeps downvoting me.
I'd care in that case. But in that case, I care because I don't like being trolled. In that case it's not about the votes. It's about being harassed. That's something I'd pursue with staff, and I'm not afraid to say so. Especially since they're probably doing it to others too.
And someone might say "it's just a website, get a life!"
What about the other person and their life? Sitting their harassing strangers for daring to contribute. At the other end of that website is a real person engaging in activity designed to undercut the site and harass its users, and that nonsense doesn't have a place in a constructive environment because it runs directly at odds with the spirit of sharing and mentorship that has been cultivated here.
So yeah, I'd feel like a Bad User(TM) for not reporting it. If they're doing it to troll they should get banned. Whether how they do it is downvoting or commenting.
Real programmers use butterflies
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honey the codewitch wrote: harassing
Seriously? You're too soft. 
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We want to know who comes second to Granny Weatherwax? 
(Also known as OriginalGriff...)
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows.
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Don't worry about the occasional 1 vote. Chris has applied some complex statistical analysis on the votes and excludes outliers from the calculation of the overall rating.
So if you have 20 +5 votes and 1 1 vote, your rating will still be 5.
If you have 10 1 votes, then there might actually be something wrong with the article, at least to some group of users that don't have the required context or experience to appreciate your brilliance.
"Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana."
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I don't care about the points deduction, I just want to know *why* it was down voted.
Does the code not work? Was my thinking wrong in terms of the code I wrote? Did I not explain the code sufficiently? Did I offend your sensibilities? Was the article not long/short enough? Are you annoyed because there's no downloadable file?
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013
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In many cases its the same reason that pigeons crap on statues. It's just what they do. No thought at all.
"Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana."
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Well, it matters to me because this is what I do for a living. If I'd actually "doing it wrong" (as far as the actual code is concerned), I'd like to know.
Doing it "different from the way you'd do it" is not a reasonable complaint, because given a specific task, ten different programmers will come up with at least eight different ways to accomplish that task, and all of those ways would work.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013
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#realJSOP wrote: Doing it "different from the way you'd do it" is not a reasonable complaint, because given a specific task, ten different programmers will come up with at least eight different ways to accomplish that task, and all of those ways would work.
Which I am always grateful for. If there WAS only ONE way to do stuff many of us would be unnecessary.
I’ve given up trying to be calm. However, I am open to feeling slightly less agitated.
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Actually, given 10 programmers, they will come up with at least 16 ways to do something.
"Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana."
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#realJSOP wrote: Did I offend your sensibilities?
You snuck that in there as a trick question to ensure we were actually reading your post.
cheers
Chris Maunder
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That's one of the questions that I don't care about, but included it in the interest of covering all possible bases.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013
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So this got me thinking.
What if we replace the voting system with the reactions system (I think this is actually one of your suggestions)
The reactions would be
- thumbs-up
- Great-read
- Techno-mazing
- Saved-my-arse
- bad-code / poor-form
- technically-incorrect
- hard-to-read
So the feedback must be chosen with a little thought, and what feedback provides guidance. A reaction of the first 4 will translate to a vote of 5, the last 3 to a vote of 1. A score can be calculated, the reactions provide readers with a sense of what people like, and the whole thing uses our current systems (give or take a small connecting wire)
cheers
Chris Maunder
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