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Just saw on the news that Holland froze over - and was thinking that anything under 10C we call freezing-cold here 
"The only place where Success comes before Work is in the dictionary." Vidal Sassoon, 1928 - 2012
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Yes, the atmosphere is quite festive here, been a long time ago we had a "proper Dutch winter".
Didn't put on my skates though, I never got the hang of skating and didn't want to break any bones 
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Maybe as long ago as this[^]. Or this[^] lesser known one.
EDIT: The Scots claim to have invented curling, and the Canadians ice hockey, but clear forerunners of these can be seen in the first painting, which dates to 1565.
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During our vacation last year we wanted to visit the Atomium in Belgium to see the exhibition of works of Breughel, but sadly that vacation was cancelled due to Corona measures 
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I've seen the first one at the Kunsthistorisches Museum[^] in Vienna, which also has many of his other works, listed in that article. Around a time that produced so many tedious Madonna with Child, he gives you an idea of what life was actually like.
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As Madonna would say: "Express Yourself"
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cool...
M.D.V. 
If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about?
Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you
Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
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is that you must understand memory offsets.
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It's no good, my memory is gone ... what was the first rule again?
"I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony
"Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt
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Well my memory is just fine. What's the issue discussed here again? 
Get me coffee and no one gets hurt!
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Slacks? Snacks? Not sure.
Anyway, as I was saying ... where was I?
"I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony
"Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt
AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!
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I find that upsetting
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I think others find it off-putting.
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Shouldn't it be "Don't mention the Programmer's Club"?
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows.
-- 6079 Smith W.
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Option Base 1.
If you count apples in the grocery story, do you start with "0" apples after taking the first? Even if you do, it would be mathematically incorrect.
'nother question. Do you see fruit as a fruit or a vegetable?
Bastard Programmer from Hell 
"If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
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Of course not, I start at zero before taking the first one, like a normal person.
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So you have no items at index 0?
Do all your arrays contain null at the first entry?
Bastard Programmer from Hell
"If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
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I used to, when I first learned BASIC, but not since learning Pascal.
In BASIC, lists (arrays) have always begun at subscript (index) zero, but so many teachers and authors didn't understand that and taught at least three generations of programmers wrong.
https://www.codeproject.com/Uploads/Membership/Uploads/2587207/BASICarray.png[^]
Anyone who still believes that array indices in BASIC begin at one have no excuse for continuing to propagate that fallacy.
A bit of VAX BASIC by way of demonstration:
10 DIM A(4)
20 FOR I = 0 TO 4
21 A ( I ) = I * I
22 NEXT I
30 FOR J = 0 TO 4
31 PRINT A ( J )
32 NEXT J
40 END
Ready
runnh
0
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Ready
modified 13-Feb-21 13:40pm.
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PIEBALDconsult wrote: Used to, when I first learned BASIC, but not since learning Pascal.
Picks up tomato;
"Fruit number one, index 0". I has one items of my list, this item 0.
Bastard Programmer from Hell
"If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
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Yes, but prior to picking it up you had picked up zero of them.
Which spot you place it in in your collection is irrelevant.
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PIEBALDconsult wrote: Which spot you place it in in your collection is irrelevant.
It is elephanting. That's the gist of the discussion.
Do you not own shoppingwagon[0]?
Bastard Programmer from Hell
"If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
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PIEBALDconsult wrote: A bit of VAX BASIC by way of demonstration:
That's still BASIC. Might run on GWBASIC.
Go get me one piece of fruit, say, a cucumber.
And argument is about wether index equals count. It doesn't, obviously.
Bastard Programmer from Hell
"If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
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Eddy Vluggen wrote: That's still BASIC. Might run on GWBASIC.
I never used GWBASIC and Turbo BASIC won't run on Win 10 "TB.EXE is not compatible with the version of Windows you're running."
Eddy Vluggen wrote: argument is about wether index equals count
No, it isn't.
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