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musefan wrote: You know, Bill Gates was arrested when he was 19... some dead-end job that got him stuck in hey. |
ok for starters bill gates was born into money so thats an irrelevant argument. and so basically now what you're saying is that even though i dont have a conviction and the arrest got expunged then being at a dead end job is all i can have although you say i have a chance just like anyone else which i dont but thanks for that mediocre response
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I have changed my mind... I don't think you have a chance anymore. Not because of your non-existent record, but because you lack any sort of attributes required to be a good developer (reading being one of them).
Enjoy your dead-end job 
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musefan wrote: I don't think you have a chance anymore. Not because of your non-existent record
so in the other posts you said it can still show up, but now you're saying that the record is non existent?
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I haven't once said it can still show up. Go find where I said that...
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maybe you didnt say it but as I recall you did say just apply and find out which indicates to me that it's gonna show up regardless. so once again my life is pretty much over.
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Well, you seem to know best, so whatever you say...
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Yeah, that's exactly what that means...
Since you can never be sure effort leads to reward, sitting back full of excuses is the only way to avoid the potential failure.
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The more from this thread I read, the more I get this feeling of deja vu. I can't remember where it was, it might even have been here on CP, but I was in a discussion forum--years ago--and someone showed up with the same sort of story and was shooting everything down because of some supposed criminal record he didn't even have, and he kept going back to that and trying to convince others he was wasting his time trying anything at all.
It was rather infuriating to try to reason with him. I don't know how social workers deal with people who don't want to help themselves.
And mentioning he got advice from Reddit...c'mon, this is such a tired old meme it's not even funny.
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Deja vu? But...but, you don't understand! This person's story is so much more different than the other person! 
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Yeah, he's 25. The other person 2 years ago was only 23!
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The thought did cross my mind. But I'm thinking maybe 5 years ago.
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i dont understand why you specify that i have a conviction when i said I didnt.
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Well, why did you choose to mention it in the first place? If you don't want people to reference it, then you probably shouldn't have included it.
Maximilien is simply stating that it is not relevant to the advice he is giving you.
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I mentioned the fact the i wasnt convicted to provide details rather than just say that i was arrested and ppl would automatically assume that i was in prison also which wasnt the case. look not to try and sound rude, but maybe it was bad idea coming here looking for advice.
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I think anywhere you go asking for advice and then either not even reading it or dismissing it out of hand is going to go badly for you.
You were told what expunged means. By several people. You do not have an arrest as far as anyone is concerned. It never happened. That's what expunged means.
I think anywhere you go asking for advice and then taking every comment, even those not directed at you as some kind of personal slight is going to go badly for you.
Maybe the problem isn't the venue.
Real programmers use butterflies
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You're being waay too over-sensitive - why would people automatically assume that you were in prison just because you had been arrested? They wouldn't.
Maximillien was not saying you had been convicted, he was saying it was not relevant to what else he had to say, he just didn't take care not to use "that" word.
You're getting some good advice here, stick with it but stop over-reacting - the internet can be a harsh place, but freelancing can be harsher. Get used to it.
And look "Expunge" means "to obliterate completely" so either the potential criminal record no longer exists or you are using the wrong term. If it no longer exists then it cannnot crop up in a background check - or at least not the sort of background check that non-government agencies can run
I think @Nelek has the right idea - do a check on yourself to see what might crop up.
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CHill60 wrote: the internet can be a harsh place, but freelancing can be harsher
Words to live by
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CHill60 wrote:
I think @Nelek has the right idea - do a check on yourself to see what might crop up.
Thanks. Better to know for yourself first hand, what others might find or not find, that brings perspective and can help avoiding some situations.
M.D.V. 
If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about?
Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you
Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
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It's a bad idea to go anywhere for advice if you are not open to listening to it.
The whole point of it being expunged is so that you don't need to mention it. Not to us, not to potential employees (with some exceptions, do some research), not to anybody that you don't want to.
Whatever you try to do from here, do it with the assumption that you have no history whatsoever. Your history does not give you less chance than anybody else trying to be a developer, so don't let it hold you back, and certainly don't use it as an excuse for failure.
If you want to be a dev, then listen to the advice we are giving you. Build up a portfolio, get some training/education, do whatever you can to convince somebody that you are going to be useful to them. Plenty of places will hire for a junior who has little experience (but shows promise), nobody will hire a freelancer who "did a bit of python".
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musefan wrote: nobody will hire a freelancer who "did a bit of python".
I have done more than just "a bit of python" as I've been learning and practicing since last august. And another thing there have been times I went to other forums and told my exact same story and have to been told multiple mediocre answers. I did run a background check on myself, but it was a state keyword state background check and nothing showed up, but is that suppose to make a difference?
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Throwaway888xxxx wrote: I have done more than just "a bit of python" as I've been learning and practicing since last august.
That's good, but it isn't me you need to convince. Write a CV and apply for some junior python jobs, see how you get on!
Throwaway888xxxx wrote: I did run a background check on myself, but it was a state keyword state background check and nothing showed up, but is that suppose to make a difference?
You don't need it to make a difference, you are the only one holding yourself back. Forget your history, you don't need to disclose it to anyone, get on with your life and start applying for jobs you like. Just don't expect to get the first few you go for.
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musefan wrote: You don't need it to make a difference, you are the only one holding yourself back. Forget your history, you don't need to disclose it to anyone
this isnt me holding myself back. And i said when it comes to this expungement crap as i said i've heard too many things from other people mainly on the internet.
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If you don't want to listen to us internet people, then go and get some proper legal advice.
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Throwaway888xxxx wrote: I have done more than just "a bit of python" as I've been learning and practicing since last august
Sorry, but 7 months of learning and practicing... still is "a bit of python".
But even though, that is not a real handicap, because programming languages can be learnt. More important is how you focus on problem solving, how you search for the errors, how you work out alternatives, how do you search for information, how you assimilate contents, how you communicate with others (and not only technically speaking)...
patience, self confidence but with modesty, niceness, reliability...
In my opinion those skills are more valious than technical content with your age.
And sorry to be that direct... you are already showing lack of some of them with your answers.
M.D.V.
If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about?
Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you
Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
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Here in Germany there are companies that will ask for a police report to check if you have a record. If you really want to be sure, I would ask for one and check if the entry you are commenting is clear enough saying that you got expugned.
Said that... I agree with almost everything the others have said. So I won't repeat it.
Things that I didn't see...
You don't only have to know about taxes, you need to have a good money management. Freelancing can bring a lot of money at once and then be months without a project. If you don't have a strategy, it might get very uncomfortable pretty quick.
You have to have a good time / priority management, because you might (if you are lucky) have several projects at once and almost every customer wants his stuff for yesterday.
You need to know your real / fair value, only because there are guys earning 5 or 6 figures salary per project, it doesn't mean that you can ask for it without being that good. And depending on the pissed customer, it might get really difficult to get more projects in the area.
and many more...
TL;DR;
it might be really good, but it is not an easy way.
M.D.V.
If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about?
Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you
Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
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